The Raw Deal – The Flat Earth Special – (19 July 2023) with Joe Olson
Humanity struggles to make progress in a Universe that is indifferent to all life and humans who are willfully ignorant, or intentionally malevolent
Flat Earth is an ancient hypothesis, refuted by every imaginable empirical evidence, yet embraced by 21st century New Age Luddites.
The “geocentric” model of the Earth being the center of the Universe, and all of the solar system and stars rotated around this flat plane was popularized by Aristotle in the 4th century BC.
Greek religion placed trust in astrology, so movements of planets in the zodiac were important. It was believed that Archimedes designed, or created the Antikythera mechanical computer in the 2nd century BC.
The bigger the apparent philanthropy, the greater the grift. Our benevolent space agency poses as our science savior, but history has another story to tell. US rocketry began with ‘Operation Paperclip’ using captured German V-2 rockets in 1946 at White Sands, New Mexico.
Logistics were handled by Langley, Virginia and in 1949 operations were moved to Huntsville, Alabama. The first rocket launches at Cape Canaveral, Florida were in July 1950. When JFK & LBJ won the 1960 election, Johnson directed the move to Houston.
Rice University donated a 1,620 acre headquarters site, surrounded by thousands of acres owned by LBJ supporters at Humble (Exxon) and Brown & Root. Massive government employment created a fortune for the new Friendswood Development grifters.
Apollo was ridiculous tinseltown production. NASA then glommed on to the climate scam, altering past records, concealing historical documents. Most egregious was their participation in the Future Wars 2025, in July 2001, in which they stated “continuation of government will require trauma based mind control”.
Mars only has five percent of Earth’s atmosphere, yet we are to believe an “Integrity Helicopter ” regularly flys around the Red Planet.
Expanding Universe is so ridiculous that the father of big bang said it was a hoax in a 1936 interview, “Shift on Shift”. I challenge any expert at NASA to debate the Carbon climate forcing hoax.
Ocean navigation required guidance beyond landmarks, so sailors developed sextant and astrolabes to determine latitude. In 1543, Copernicus announced his heliocentric model, upsetting the church officials.
Mechanical clocks were being developed that could show lunar phases, orthodoxy was that the heavens were concentric Celestial Spheres, likely supported by rumors of Antikythera type machines.
In 1610, Galileo discovered moons on Jupiter, complicating the geocentric model. In England, Jeremiah Horrocks proved elliptical orbits of planets in 1639. Issac Newton published his Principia Mathematica in 1666 and further refined astronomy with 30 years of measurements by Royal Astronomer, John Flamsteed and mathematician Roger Cotes.
Navigation got a huge advancement in 1749 with John Harrison invention of the chronometer, solving the longitude problem using Mean Greenwich time and star chart measurements.
Converting Earth mapping to a cylinder, using Mefcator Projection had been used since 1569, but now accurate spherical globes could be used for navigation.
GPS added pinpoint accuracy based on a spherical Earth. Seasonal solar azimuth angle changes with season and latitude are impossible for flat Earth supporters to explain or dismiss.
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Joseph Olson
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The highest altitude of a highly modified, turbine powered helicopter is 42,500 ft, per PilotInstitute.com, air pressure at this altitude is 2.5 psi. Sea-level pressure is 760 mm Mercury, or 14.7 psi. NASA data says Mars surface is 6.35 mm Mercury, or 0.092 psi. Even with 1/3 gravity, Integrity has an aeronautical issue
“NASA Future War 2025” by Truth Stream Media shows another Integrity problem
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D. Boss
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First off it is named “Ingenuity” not “integrity”. Next is that while the Mars atmosphere is less than 1% of earths, it’s gravity is almost 1/3 that of earth. And the dynamics of flight are that there are 4 competing force vectors:
1) Lift
2) Gravity
3) Thrust
4) Drag
Now typically for fixed wing aircraft 1 and 2 are opposing and 3 and 4 are also opposing, but each can have effects and influences on the others. Rotary wing craft are a bit different, but all of these 4 main force vectors are still in play, albeit in a different manner.
Here are the specs on Ingenuity:
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/#Anatomy
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/#Tech-Specs
Hmm, rotor diameter is 4 feet! and gross weight is 4 lbs on earth and only 1.5 lbs on Mars. It flies for a mere 90 seconds using 350 watts of average power to do so.
So it has a rotor disc loading of 6.28 sqft/1.5 lbs = 4.19 / 2 rotors = 2.095 lbs/sqft.
It has a power to weight ratio of 0.35 kW / 1.5 lbs = 0.233 kW/lb
Now one of the biggest helicopters on earth is the CH-47 Chinook
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CH-47_Chinook
it has a gross weight of 50,000 lbs, and is powered by two 3,529 kW engines for a total of 7,058 kW.
it has a rotor diameter of 60 feet.
It has a disc loading of 9.5 lbs/sqft
It has a power to weight ratio of 0.141 kW/lb
So the Ingenuity has 4.5 times lower disc loading and double the power to weight ratio as does the Chinook.
Now for the elephant in the room against the naysayer here, is the aerodynamic drag which affects how much power is needed to turn the rotors and create lift. The drag is 1/2 air density x v² x drag coefficient x area. So if the density is 98% less than air on earth the drag on Mars is pretty much 98% less. So it is feasible to make a helicopter to work on Mars. In fact I once owned a radio controlled model helicopter with a 4 foot rotor diameter. And to spin that rotor for flight at 2,000 rpm, took a nitromethane powered 2 stroke engine, generating about 9 HP or 6.75 kW. The Ingenuity only needs half a horsepower or 350 watts to turn it’s rotors at 2600 rpm. (2600 rpm is referenced in the following paper)
Here is a paper detailing both CFD modeling and physical testing of Ingenuity:
https://rotorcraft.arc.nasa.gov/Publications/files/Cuyler_Dull_10-Jan-22_06-00-24.pdf
I do not know if it actually flies on Mars or not, but I do understand aerodynamics, being a pilot and having designed airfoils with CFD and built and tested them too; I find it plausible that Ingenuity flies on Mars.
However I find it rather ironic or even hypocritical for someone ridiculing “flat earth” mentality who dismisses the Ingenuity being cable of flight on Mars in the same way flat earthers respond to a spherical earth.
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Joseph Olson
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“Perplexing Apollo Questions for NASA” > principia-scientific.org > the Musk Space X Starship rocket has 15% greater lift than Saturn V, a 150 ton payload. To make lunar round-trip, Musk will preposition 1,200 tons of fuel. Apollo had inadequate fuel, or lost magic technology.
June 2001, Rockefeller & Hopkins held Operation Dark Winter on a 2020 plague. July 2001, NASA Future War 2025, said “we needed trauma based mind control for continuity of government” and two months later we got 9/11/2001
NASA knowingly lies about global warming. NASA HAS NO INTEGRITY
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VOWG
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There is no reason why willful ignorance and evil cannot exist in tandem.
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Joel
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Another lame attempt at gaslighting. In reality, there’s no debate about the shape of the earth only the semblance of one. As long as people believe there’s a debate, then the official dogma can continue to masquerade as the Truth. The idea that authorities can dictate what is true and what is false is an ancient concept that is still alive and well today. The guys in the video are a prime example of this fallacy. They blindly assume that the earth is round and spinning based purely upon official dogma not proven scientific fact. A good example of their blindness is when they quote that surveyor’s textbook: “Level lines are also curved.” Not only is this utter and complete nonsense but such ideas have always been declared to be true but repeatedly proven by actual scientific experimentation to be false. The problem is that official dogma doesn’t have to be true to be popular and even revered in the eyes of men.
The shape of the earth is an elementary problem that can easily be solved by anyone with good sense, and unbiased mind and some basic equipment. While there are many wonderful things to be found on this earth, two things no one has ever found here, nor ever will find, are curvature and rotation.
Ironically, people like the guys in this video, make constant appeals to “science” but it’s always the official dogma of science and not real science which is fiercely independent. The true history of science is replete with valid experiments that prove both the flatness and non rotation of the earth yet such information has been systematically suppressed and hidden so few are aware of it. The brutal reality, is that mainstream experts and the vast majority of the general public are completely wrong about the shape and rotation of the earth yet only those few who truly think for themselves will ever know this. Unfortunately, humans are very easy to deceive and readily deceive themselves. Most people actually base their perception of what’s true and what’s false on their ability to believe not on actual facts. To the average person, if something sounds crazy then it must be crazy and therefore untrue. When confronted with actual truth, like the flatness and non-rotation of the earth most people today will adamantly refuse to believe it, let along test this idea for themselves without bias. Like so much in human life, intelligence is often not what it’s believed to be. Today, intelligence among humans has nothing to do with actual intelligence but an ability to blindly follow the crowd.
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aaron
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exactly, thank you Joel for being the voice of reason and logic
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CloseTheRanks
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Take it down to the most basic of basics. Unmitigated simplicity.
The Earth is round. Spherical. Like a ball.
If one decides to ‘walk around it’ this giant ball, you will be upside down at the halfway point.
Again, the simplest, easiest conclusion even a child would come to. Which is why there are globes in the classrooms beginning in 2nd grade.
All the teaching authorities tell little Johnny “it doesn’t work like that” but are at a loss to explain.
Then, going home, his parents declare the round earth and again little Johnny has to defer to the ‘experts’ instilling doubt in his very ability to reason out the world around him. Capitulate to the professionals of course.
Round earth just another in the long, long list of deceptions foisted upon the hoi polloi.
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