Structural Engineer: Fla. Condo Collapse Looks a ‘Controlled Demolition’
Principia Scientific International’s Joe Olson is qualified in multiple areas of engineering (structural, civil, mechanical and electrical). Olson provides Jim Fetzer with an informed and astute expert analysis of the possible explanations for what happened in Florida.
Olson is excluding several non-viable alternatives and isolating the lift-slab construction (which has a limited life-span of about 40 years), where it may have been inevitable or (alternatively) given a boost by the use of an incendiary (such as thermite).
We both believe the former to be more likely, on the order of 90% to 10%. We urge you to share this special report with officials and authorities who are going to be responsible for sorting things about–because it has to be done properly. This type of construction is ubiquitous in South Florida and future lives depend on it.
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Joseph Olson
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“Trajedy that Sparked Decline of Lift Slab Construction” at SkyRiseCities.com
L’Ambiance Plaza, a 16 story lift slab failed during construction, killing 28 workers and ending this experimental engineering. Inherent defects in Post Tension Concrete can be detected by Pure Technology and Vector Corrosion analysis. Forensic Engineering on this failure needs to be outside the group think and scapegoat controlled agencies.
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Lloyd Slezak
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https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-avenue—preliminary-review-plans-for-40-year-re-certification.pdf?sfvrsn=9e2a1194_2
Linked documents above clearly represent original construction of Champlain Towers. Standard reinforced concrete frame construction. Not lift slab, not post tensioned. Stop digging yourself deeper in the hole of losing credibility. Either a sinkhole or demolition of the RCP columns took that structure down.
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Joseph Olson
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I was have been very careful to state “construction APPEARS to be Post Tension, and IF SO here are latent defects”, which are PROVABLE FACTS. Dr Fetzer uses Post Tension and Lift Slab interchangeably, I DO NOT, but it is rude to constantly interrupt your host.
I reviewed the 9 page Morabito report, which is superficial. These linked Morabito Repair & Restoration Plans are very detailed, but all work is OUTSIDE THE FAILURE ZONE.
Engineers are reluctant to criticize industry dogma, however PTC is overdue for safety review, whether is is contributing facing this tragedy or not. There are hundreds of midrise buildings in question across the US.
Thanks for playing the game.
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Lloyd Slezak
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Well now you know the building was not lift slab or post tension construction. If you are going to continue to portray your expertise as salient, you should. redirect the conversation. Also, the relevant point associated with the fact that the restoration plans did not include any work in the collapsed elements is that there were no tell tale signs of imminent frame failure. It would be refreshing to see you publicly redirect your public conversation on this.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Joe,
You wrote: “Dr Fetzer uses Post Tension and Lift Slab interchangeably, I DO NOT, but it is rude to constantly interrupt your host.”
I have begun quoting. Louis Elzevir, and it does not matter who he was. The quote is: “Intuitive knowledge keeps paces with accurate definition.” The quote is what matters.
By not demanding ACCURATE DEFINITION only confusion can result and there can be no knowledge. In SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (ENGINEERING) incorrect KNOWLEDGE can cause DEATH; therefore achieving a proper, correct, knowledge is not a GAME being played for the FUN of IT.
Joe, you try your best to use your experience and knowledge to keep others on the straight and narrow. But you cannot FEAR being RUDE and not Including not correcting a mistake each time it is made. Even if it is one’s own mistake!! For we are all human and we all make mistakes.
Have a good day, Jerry
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MattH
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Hi Jerry.
Your third paragraph! Amen to that. (well put).
Cheers cobber. Matt
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Joseph Olson
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Jerry, very few reporters, or talk hosts have enough knowledge in science to have a meaningful exchange. Bickering about what laymen consider semantics, is boring video. I am composing a written analysis on this critical, life threatening situation, where my words cannot be misconstrued and will be supported with references. I am working multiple news agencies and government officials to force daylight on the true cause of this event
I welcome suggestions and constructive criticism, but hateful comments, like some above, are counterproductive.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Joseph and hopefully PSI Readers,
Hopefully this comment will end up just after your comment. Why?
You have just written about what needs to be done and I certainly consider you are the person to do it. Why?
Galileo, wrote to the artisans of his time in Italy. You are an artisan (a practical person who actually does something besides talk and write).
You concluded: “I welcome suggestions and constructive criticism, but hateful comments, like some above, are counterproductive.” Hopefully I and others can make productive suggestions to help you in your efforts.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Joe, Mark and other PSI Readers,
This comment is to bring the integrity of ENGINEERS to the ATTENTION of PSI Readers. (https://principia-scientific.com/the-eigiau-dam-disaster-deluges-and-deceit/)
Sometime before this lined article, Herb Rose had brought the failure of another early 1800s dam at Johnstown PA to our attention. In both of these cases the dam system had not been constructed according to the engineering plans with the result that the dam failed.
I bring this to your attention because I doubt an engineer (or engineering firm) could survive a failure of one their projects which had been constructed according to their engineering plans. So. I am sure engineers always over-plan to avoid such a possibility.
Richard Feynman (“What Do You Care What Other People Think?”) Part 2 (Mr Feynman Goes to Washington: Investigating The Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster.) one can read how the ENGINEERS involved in the project voted no to launch because the air temperature was well below the minimum temperature standard. But the MANAGERS of the launch ignored the ENGINEERS. But we do not learn that any of these MANAGERS were FIRED.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Jerry:
On the subject of system failures I would like to get your thoughts on the Challenger situation. Please see information below with pictures. Also pictures and analysis from Miles Mathis site.
https://aplanetruth.info/theyre-alive-challenger-crew-found-alive-and-well-30-years-since-the-disaster/
http://mileswmathis.com/shut.pdf
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Mark,
Get Feynman’s book which I referenced. And read how many days it took for Feynman, the detective, to discover the cause of disaster.
I believe you need to read biographies and autobiographies of people who have had KNOWN achievements. This to see the life times of effort and experiences that it took to produce some of those achievements.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Hello Jerry
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Hi Jerry:
There is no doubt that insights can be gained by studying methods and conclusions of the highly intelligent. I also believe Feynman like say a Noam Chomsky may be a little to close to the establishment.
I wonder if you looked at the articles I posted because it is immediately self evident that the whole program was immersed in fraud. Whatever conclusions Feynman came up with are just part of the subterfuge.
Best regards, Mark
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Mark and PSI Readers,
Sorry to read what you just wrote. I will not take the time read to read what Miles Mathis wrote because I have not knowledge about him. I came here to share the following.
I specifically recommend that anybody, without a background in science or engineering, read at least one of the biographies that have been written about the Wright Bros. Whose business was a bicycle shop and who invented the first heavier than air flying machine in less than five (to be safe) years and taught themselves how to fly it.
It just so happened that my son wrote a senior English research paper on them and I, who have always liked to read, read the three biographies he had checked out to the library for this project.
And in Feynman’s book that I have referenced, he briefly describes how his father, a uniform salesman, taught him so that his son would become a scientist. Which Feynman never figured out how his father had ever learned about SCIENCE.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Jerry:
Has it not occurred to you that all of your sources are MSM establishment approved. Some of what these sources say is credible. Some of it is not. I think the way to serve the interests of science and truth is to look at all reasonable information. For instance we both know that dinosaurs did not live in the arctic and grow feathers. That defies common sense logic. There is no need for further investigation. However when it comes to multi billion dollar government programs, be they climate initiatives, medical recommendations or space programs we need to be suspicious of what we are told.
We may not agree with the everything we encounter but if it is credible it should be scrutinized. The first article I posted showed all of the alleged Challenger Astronauts (less one) ap. 30 years later. It is hard to refute the photos. This overturns the entire government narrative. The second article with photos is by the Miles Mathis site (whatever individual or group that is). There is lots of information on this site that the MSM does not want out. I don’t agree with all of it. But it is another source. It shows lots of anomalies in the Challenger photos that I think would be worth your time. This site has also exposed lots of fakery with the nuclear tests as well. We are not interested in trivial non sense or novelties but in the pursuit of truth. That is why I posted these articles. Remember CIA director William Casey’s remark during a meeting with Reagan.
“We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False”
When you look past those establishment gatekeepers lots of things start to make a lot more sense.
Best regards, Mark
Jerry Krause
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Hi Mark,
You wrote: “For instance we both know that dinosaurs did not live in the arctic and grow feathers. That defies common sense logic.”
After quoting from the Holy Bible you seem to ignore that first the earth was all water surface and there was the water above. And you quoted that it did not rain fo many centuries and maybe even more than a thousand years or so. Venus has a total overcast and its polar regions are reported to be nearly as hot as the equatorial regions. And during the flood the water came down and the water came up from beneath the surface. So I can imagine there could have been dinosaurs anywhere on the earth’s surface before the flood.
The fact is I do not know about the dinosaurs and neither do you because you are assuming that the polar regions were always as cold during their winters. But we know that the earth’s surface has been and still is NATURALLY changing.
Just as weather changes from day to day and we generally accept that only 13,000 years ago there were glaciers down to 45N where I was born and lived continuously for 21+ years.
Do not enjoy what you too commonly write. There for a moment I considered you had reformed.
Have a good day, Jerry
But I do know Alfred Wegener and others had a lot of physical evidence when they were mocked at a convention because the idea that continents could drift defied common sense logic. And no geologists dared suggest they might have for more than fifty years>. At least that is what I have read and believe.
Have a good day, Jerry
Carbon Bigfoot
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On another blog the host shared a Twitter post from a husband who was on the phone with his wife (in the Tower) who was aroused my noises and movement before the collapse. She observed (through a window?) a giant sinkhole where the pool was. Her phone went dead shortly thereafter. All of this needs to be verified.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Carbon,
Last evening I finally watched a news report about this ‘accident’. The women saw the sinkhole outside of the apartments. I did not see any evidence of a sinkhole. Of course, the the collapsed building could have filled the giant sinkhole. Except, Einstein taught us that nothing is instantaneous. So, I have a tendency to not believe this story, but if it is true I know there will eventually be irrefutable evidence of the ‘sinkhole’.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Jerry:
As to the dinosaurs, when I said they did not live in the arctic I obviously meant UNDER arctic conditions. Before the flood there was no arctic anywhere.
Your problem Jerry is that your refuse to look at the evidence and just evade the issue while propping up one of your establishment icons. The articles I posted prove beyond any reasonable doubt the Challenger space program was FAKE. If as you say your science guru Feynman was involved then there are only two possibilities. 1. he was duped by NASA or 2, he was part of the coverup. I tend to believe the latter. You Jerry are not providing information but rather cover for the same crooks that are behind the fake virus and climate change. All of your obfuscations do not change anything.
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Lloyd Slezak
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https://www.google.com/search?q=champlain+tower+photos&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS651US651&hl=en-US&prmd=imnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt-e-rhb3xAhU0On0KHeRBCyUQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=768&bih=909&dpr=2#imgrc=T3vCYdVwrzP2WM
Linked photo shows swimming pool fully intact and full of water after collapse.
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Tom O
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What I would like to have heard, but did not, was “they had these buildings failing all over Europe.” That would have been an appropriate consideration if someone is going to red flag the construction of the building as the reason it failed. How many such buildings have had to be destroyed to prevent failure would also have been a nice touch, but to raise the fear level of people that are already frightened about just about everything else without showing considerable proof that this type of construction is going to be a problem seems quite poor judgment. If there have been 10,000 buildings of this type, as an example that have been built and 9,995 of them didn’t fail, seems to me that should have been a point worth making. Two thumbs down.
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Mark Tapley
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After 911 several demolition experts said it was standard demolition. Most stopped commenting after the Dutch demo. expert had his”accident.” You could even see the squibs going off floor by floor in the normal fashion. The beams were cut in sections so they could be easily loaded onto truck trailers and barges to go down the canals that had just been dredged. There were hardly any deaths in 911 contrary to this engineer’s statement. Just a small amount of collateral deaths. When the social security death register is checked for this date N.Y. state had the usual mortality. The buildings on 911 were essentially empty. There was none of the thousands of pieces of office furniture, computers, water coolers etc. There was no forensic examination and all the wreckage was hauled off immediately. The massive cloud of dust was pulverized cement.
Any time a steel cable is exposed to humidity, moisture it’s going to corrode. In the basement, garage areas there was probably a lot along with salt air. This situation is made worse in south Florida because it never gets cold enough to slow the corrosion down either. The only reason the cables lasted so long is because even though exposed areas were likely full of rust, salt and corrosion, there is no movement of the cables. Lots of cheaply built junk condos will be on the market now.
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A Reasonable Man
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Some times the price of free speech is listening to absurd “controlled demolition conspiracy theory” when structural design flaw combined with deterioration or unstable ground our far more likely the cause of this tragic failure. Coastal regions , and other salty environs make rebar very prone to rust caused be moisture getting in thru fissures and micro cracks in the concrete. The rust then expands the crack even more, rust -expand -repeat ! Or in unstable foundation combined with shaking from heavy loads being moved around on the roof.
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Mark Tapley
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As I understand it this construction method involved running steel cable through conduit in the slab from one wall to the adjacent side. In damp areas these conduits will always get moisture in them. Over time the cables will corrode undetected. A construction disaster. Any where that moisture is present it is very difficult keep it out of conduit.
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T. C. Clark
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Gravity did it…gravity never sleeps. A video of a sinkhole appearing at an intersection in China appears almost instantaneously…a driver drove into it because it was too fast to react.
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Clark:
That may be the case since I believe they said this area was one of those beach property land fills. If that were the case it seems like the ground would have shifted before now. In any case a sink hole would be readily apparent once the rubble is shoved out. It would seem that buildings of this type would require large piers or pilings down in the ground that would have revealed a problem with the soil at the start.
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Syrius33
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Veo todos los comentarios, las disertaciones y las divagaciones, repitiendo siempre lo que todos dicen. Soy profesional de salud y rescatista desde mi juventud. He estado en deslaves, inundaciones, accidentes, explosiones de minas de carbón, explosiones urbanas de todos los tamaños, derrumbes de edificaciones por terremotos, el derrumbe del edificio SPACE en Medellín.
Me tocó vivir todos los atentados terroristas de los años 80 en Colombia y desde el momento que vi los primeros videos del desplome de este edificio el pelo se me erizó. Lo que mi instinto vio fue una implosión más que un derrumbe.
Si todo el conjunto fue construido con los mismos materiales, en la misma fecha, por el mismo constructor, ¿ cómo los residentes escuchan un “trueno” y sólo se destruye una parte muy puntual del condominio, casi pulverizado?
Algunos sobrevivientes lo comparan con el ataque a las torres gemelas. ¿ cuál es para ellos la semejanza? La altura del edificio no era para tal grado de desintegración. En los videos primero parece explotar uno bloque y luego el otro.
En la gama de los delitos para cobrar seguros, para ocultar evidencias de algo, todo es posible. A veces las principales evidencias están a la vista de todo el mundo, sin ser vistas, ocultas por ideas preconcebidas y prejuiciadas. Aunque pueda sonar descabellado, yo buscaría evidencias de explosivos.
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