Some Scientists Admit Clouds Are Main Controller Of Climate
Modeling the main factors driving climate is riddled with and precluded by observational error. Some scientists now acknowledge this
Clouds are a main factor – even the most important factor – controlling changes in the Earth’s radiation budget, or climate (Sfîcă et al., 2021, Lenaerts et al., 2020), published by the International Journal of Climatology as shown below:
Image: Sfîcă et al., 2021 and Lenaerts et al., 2020
But as scientists acknowledge in a new study (Ademakinwa et al., 2024), substantial errors in calculating cloud effects on climate are inevitable because three-dimensional (3D, vertical and horizontal) cloud affects are reality, and current calculations only consider one-dimensional cloud properties (1D, vertical).
“Failed retrievals” in radiative property simulations of cloud effects occur over 40 percent of the time. This leads to biases, errors amounting to ±36 W/m².
Considering this error margin of 72 W/m² is 360 times larger than the (alleged – Ed) total forcing from CO2 over the span of 10 years (0.2 W/m²) for an imaginary clear-sky-only (cloudless) Earth (Feldman et al., 2015), it is not possible to detect the real-world effect of CO2 forcing in any radiative transfer calculation.
Summary:
“Since clouds in reality have three-dimensional (3D) structures, the simulation of radiative transfer (RT) in clouds should ideally consider the transport of radiation in both vertical and horizontal directions (referred to as ‘3D RT’).”
However, “operational bispectral cloud retrievals are almost exclusively based on the one-dimensional (1D) RT theory that considers only the vertical and ignores the net horizontal transport of radiation.”
Consequently, “the radiative properties of clouds under 3D RT are substantially different from those under 1D RT.”
Image: Ademakinwa et al., 2024
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Kevin Doyle
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Kenneth Richard, you seem like a well intended chap.
Please, stop believing the entire ‘smoke screen’, Wizard of Oz, trick foolery.
Yes, clouds block sunlight.
Clouds do not ‘warm’ the Earth. Clouds do slow the transfer of heat from Earth to Space, but they do not heat anything.
No cold gas in our atmosphere can ‘heat’ anything, except a colder gas or mountain top.
Ask one of your ‘climate scientist’ friends if cold water at the bottom of the ocean heats the surface layer?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Kevin,
When I submitted by comment I was un aware of your comment. You wrote: “Clouds do not ‘warm’ the Earth. Clouds do slow the transfer of heat from Earth to Space, but they do not heat anything..” While I agree that clouds do not warm the earth I call attention to the fact that, when air temperature hasn’t deceased, the next morning any warming by solar radiation (including its IR component) will begin warming a warmer system than one which has cooled because there were no nighttime clouds. One should not overlook this fact.
Have a good day
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Herb,
You began your comment “Water scatters visible light due to reflection, transmission, and refraction.” You seem to overlook the fact that Rickard Feynman, In The Feynman Lectures On Physics, considered radiation scattering to be a natural phenomenon as reflection, transmisiom,, and refraction are. Ans your comment seems to go downhill from that first sentence.
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Herb Rose
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Hi Kevin,
Water scatters visible light due to reflection, transmission, and refraction. It does not scatter heat but absorbs and radiates IR. It takes 720 calories/gram to raise the temperate of 0C solid water to 100C water vapor.
The water in the atmosphere has absorbed and stored a large amount of heat during the day and after the sun sets and the gases surrounding the water cool, the water will radiate stored energy as IR, in all directions. Clouds do indeed heat the gases in the atmosphere and the Earth at night.
Herb
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Kevin,
I hoping and waiting for your respondence to my comment relative to your comment.
Have a good dau.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi PSI Readers,
This comment is to direct attention to the downwelling infrared (IR) and upwelling IR. data being measured by this (https://gml.noaa.gov/grad/surfrad/dataplot.html) NOAA project at several remote sites in the USA. This IR radiation is commonly overlooked because our eyes cannot see this radiation as they see the visible solar radiation.
While we know that the air temperature being measured about 4 feet above the earth’s surface decreases during the nighttime when the sky appears cloudless but how many of us really notice that, when the nighttime sky is totally ‘overcast with thick cloud, the nighttime temperature seldom decreases? So how many might consider that the cloud droplets are scattering the IR radiation being emitted by the earth’s surfaces back toward the earth surface. just as during the daytime the same, thick cloud droplets would scatter nearly all the solar radiation back toward space?
Have a good day
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Jerry Krause
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Hi PSI Readers,
Relative to this radiation measurement project is the fact that the NOAA designers initially overlooked twilight; which became the 6th radiation (Diffuse Solar
Radiation) being measured. Thus proving “The most obvious can be the most difficult to see.” (JLK)
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James
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The atmosphere is a heat engine driven by the sun. The net work this engine does is transfer water from oceans to mountains. Life on Earth depends on this. But this cycle is never in equilibrium, so we may see glaciers either grow or shrink; and shrink is what has happened during the last 10k years. What can we do about it? Nothing, except learn to live with it; as we have done since the equatorial Garden of Eden became desert.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi James,
I believe you, like many, have overlooked the volcanic eruptions, which we observe, that are caused by nuclear fission reactions, occurring in the earth’s interior.
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James McGinn
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It’s not a heat engine at all. It works based on pressure differentials that overcome friction (achieve streaming; avoid dispersion) through tubes — vortices — comprised of/by the structural properties of H2O. The low pressure energy of storms is delivered to the scene of the storm by these vortice tubes. The source of the low pressure energy is jet streams. And the result of multiple vortices constantly exhausting into the flow of the jet stream is to maintain the momentum of the jet stream (this is very much not trivial in that meteorology has failed to explain how jet streams maintain their momentum). (The principles that allow for the requisite structural properties of vortices that underlie this functionality are only known to myself. Meteorology is a confused, pretentious paradigm that basis much of it’s explanatory effort into silly analogies like this idiotic notion that it works like a heat engine. )
The real first step to understanding the physics of storms is to realize that meteorology has been lying to the public now for almost two hundred years.
James McGinn / Genius / Solving Tornadoes
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