NASA to award new contract for second lunar lander
NASA is offering a second lucrative contract to fund a lunar lander for its upcoming mission to put men and the first woman on the Moon, it announced this week.
Under the Artemis program, NASA’s most ambitious project yet, the space agency hopes to send humans back to the surface of Earth’s natural satellite as early as 2025, more than half a century after it last set foot, in 1972 with the Apollo 17 mission. In April 2021, SpaceX was awarded a $2.89bn contract to build a lander to take a crew down to the lunar dunes.
Rivals Blue Origin and Dynetics in response fired off an official complaint to protest NASA’s decision. All work for SpaceX’s Human Landing System was paused while the US Government Accountability Office investigated claims of foul play.
Billionaire Jeff Bezos even publicly offered NASA a $2bn discount if his company Blue Origin was selected instead. His hopes were dashed, however, when his case was dismissed and SpaceX was given the green light to continue developing its spacecraft. Maybe Bezos can cheer up now that NASA is giving everyone but SpaceX an opportunity to build a second lunar lander to blastoff as early as 2026 or 2027.
“We expect to have two companies safely carry astronauts in their landers to the surface of the Moon under NASA’s guidance before we ask for services, which could result in multiple experienced providers in the market,” Lisa Watson-Morgan, program manager for the Human Landing System Program at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, confirmed in a statement.
Details on the upcoming Sustaining Lunar Development contract are expected to be announced in the next few weeks. NASA wants to diversify its lunar transport options as it looks to sustain a human presence on the Moon with the hopes of establishing a long-term base there to explore Mars and beyond.
“Under Artemis, NASA will carry out a series of groundbreaking missions on and around the Moon to prepare for the next giant leap for humanity: a crewed mission to Mars,” said NASA Administrator Bill Nelson. “Competition is critical to our success on the lunar surface and beyond, ensuring we have the capability to carry out a cadence of missions over the next decade.”
Funding for the Artemis program was secured under the Trump administration with the goal of launching astronauts by 2024. The mission has faced multiple delays and challenges, including hardware failures during tests of NASA’s Space Launch System rocket. The date has now been pushed back to 2025; the space agency has spent over $40bn on the mission already and costs will only continue to grow.
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Mark Tapley
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More NASA money laundering for the insiders. PSI Readers look at this very interesting video with lots of actual NASA footage of the laughable lunar lander that looks like some neighborhood kids cobbled it together in their back yard. Lots of NASA footage on the fake moon with the front screen projection and repeated scenery on different “missions.” Also look at the actual NASA fake takeoffs and cartoonish docking procedure and other glaring anomalies. Watch NASA (look at body language and evasiveness) official interview of Apollo Ass-tronauts and finally the interviews of Aldrin and Armstrong by Bart Sebrel. Last note Aldrin’s statement to 8 yr. old girl.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0oANUdFS0LxK/
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MattH
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Fake moon_?. I am a commercial fisherman and set my gear, often at high tide the evening before, to be in 200 to 400 millimeters of water at low tide. I
Barometric pressure, wind direction and strength, but the biggest player is moon cycle, even in hurricanes. (tropical depressions)
Fake moon? Tapley you are a fuckwit. Go outside and experience the forces of nature and then through science you may come to understand why these things happen.
If you want to do the honourable thing I will send you the rope for free. 6mm or 8mm polypropylene. Chjeeze!
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Herb Rose
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Hi Matt,
You must know that for Mark (and other commentators) the authoritative reference for science is the Bible.
Herb
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Hello Herb:
My religious faith has nothing to do with exposing this massive NASA money laundering scam perpetrated by the insiders on all American tax payers. I do not see how any reasonable person can believe in the Apollo fake moon landings after watching this video. However their are some, so brainwashed by the established system, they will believe any thing the controlled media tell them. Including the completely asinine CGI fakery of non existent airplanes penetrating through massive concrete and steel structures. What puzzles me is that you believe the transparently ridiculous lies of NASA, 911, and Hiroshima but don’t trust these same criminals that tell you to line up for your “safe and highly effective vaccine.”
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Mark Tapley
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Hello MattH:
I assumed that when I referenced the “fake moon” it would be obvious that I was referring to the movie set on which the Apollo “moon walks” were staged,. It never occurred to me that some PSI readers were to stupid to automatically understand that. I then pointed out some of the many glaring discrepancies in the NASA official story. I hope your fishing ability is better than your comprehension.
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MattH
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Hi Tapley. Touche’.
PSI recently was inundated with comments from “flat earthers” and spotting fake moon in your comment I jumped to conclusions without properly reading your comment.
I therefore unreservedly apologize for my comment and language. I will endeavor to toe the line.
Oh, one time I even caught a fish.
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Hi Herb and PSI Readers.
Herb, this comment from the Bible is not about SCIENCE, it is about Mark.
Matthew 4: 1-11 NIV. “The Temptation of Jesus”. Then Jesus was lead by the Spirit into the desert to b tempted by the devil. After fasting frothy days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is writen: Man does no live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God”. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “ ‘He will command the angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ “ Jesus answered him, “It is writte, So not put the Lord your God to the text.” Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ “ Then the divil left him, and angels came and attended him.”
Have a good day, Jerry
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Hi Herb, Mark and PSI Readers,
Given what Herb wrote about my Science and the Bible and Mark’s claimed claimed religion, I really believed that my comment would elicit comments from either Herb or Mark or both.
Have a good day, Jerry
Have a good day, Jerry
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Hi Jerry,
I have no problem with people believing in the Bible as a moral and ethical guide for how they live their lives.
When they completely deny science because of a conviction that it is a factual account and refuse to accept any evidence or reasoning that contradicts the Bibles narrative then IMO they are reading it wrong. I wasn’t aware that you were one of those who believed the Universe is 5000 yr old, that dinosaurs never existed, that the flood covered the entire Earth, that the Earth is flat, or that the sun stood still in the sky.
Herb
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Hi Herb, Mark and PSI Readers,
Given what Herb wrote about my Science and the Bible and Mark’s claimed claimed religion, I really believed that my comment would elicit comments from either Herb or Mark or both.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Hi Herb,
I took your statement personally because I do quote the Bible as support for my Scientific ideas. But certainly not in the way you just wrote. And I do try to correct Believers who believe as you suggest; just as I try to correct you when you and James state water molecules do not exist in the Earth’s atmosphere
Have a good day, Jerry
Herb Rose
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Hi Jerry,
Neither James or I ever said that water molecules don’t exist in the atmosphere. We maintain those water molecules are in a liquid phase, not a gas phase.
Herb
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Hello MattH
Thanks for the reply. I sometimes fish some local ponds for bass and crappie (best eating) and many times get skunked. Commercial fishing would definitely be a risky and difficult endeavor for those not both determined and possessing the necessary skills.
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MattH, I’m sure your an educated person. Please re-read what Mark Tapley wrote. He didn’t say the moon was fake, just NASA’s portrayal of it. Read and watch without emotions and find truth.
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MattH
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Hi Brent.
Often people use the word educated when they really mean “informed”.
I tend to have an allergic reaction to the word “truth” and prefer understanding, fidelity, reliability etc. in most cases. There is necessary truth in mathematics.
Most people do not know how to listen. Listening requires letting another communicate without interjection and then sometimes asking a question or two. The most appropriate questions are often, “what evidence do you have?” and “who were the witnesses?”
A lot of people witnessed a rocket leave Cape Canaveral and a capsule retrieved from the Pacific with men retrieved from inside the capsule. A lot of evidence was accumulated between these two events and I am not aware of anybody directly involved having ever said ” Ha ha we fooled you all.”
Today is the first of April and I do not wonder who are the big April Fools.
Cheers. Matt
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Hi Matt,
“A lot of people witnessed a rocket leave Cape Canaveral and a capsule retrieved from the Pacific with men retrieved from inside the capsule.” I have waiting for some reader to write this and to add.about these many people who gather to watch a launch; they even saw one blew up with people on board. And then there are these rapidly moving stars we sometimes see.
Keep up the good work, Jerry
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Hello Herb:
I did not think that you would stoop to the tactic claiming others said something that you know they didn’t. I never said the earth was only 5000 years old. I only said it is thousands not millions or 4.5 billion years old. I also gave reasons for my statement that no one here at PSI has refuted even though I have asked for comments on the issue. I never denied the existence of dinosaurs as you claim but to the contrary I stated that several unassociated paleontological teams have recently discovered T Rex bones containing ligaments, soft tissue, and even the remains of blood vessels. Therefore these reptiles could not have been but a few thousand years old. I do believe in the global flood of Noah. There is evidence all over the world in the sedimentary layers supporting this. There are numerous cases where large petrified tree trunks extend through “hundreds of millions” of years according to the archeologists. There are also no soil depositions between the rock layers as there would have to be if indeed this process occurred over millions of years. There also are no erosion crevices between the layers, nor the remains of tree roots or of animal digging. Practically all cultures all over the world have ancient references to the global flood, as for instance in ancient Chinese writings. You are well aware that I never claimed the world was flat. The Bible even tells us that “God sits on the circle of the earth in Isaiah 40:22. I have never said anything about the sun standing still but may address it later.
I am always careful not to mis quote others and I do not appreciate being libeled. We may disagree on various issues but should still be friends and always maintain an ethical behavior as to what someone else said or did not say.
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Hi Mark,
The reason I used the 5000 years is because I seem to remember that Biblical scholars calculated as the beginning of creation.
As for the soft tissues of dinosaurs, there are several ways of preservation, mummification that can account for this: desiccation, sterilization, or chemical action. There have mammoth bodies found where the meat had not spoiled and the food in their stomachs preserved even though they perished over 10,000 yrs ago. Nobody claims they died a few days ago. They have also germinated some of the grain found in Egyptian tombs that are over 5000 yrs old. Things can last a lot longer than people think.
The reason there is no soil between strata in the Grand Canyon is because it is formed by the land rising due to the Pacific plate sliding under the North American plate, not because of sedimentation. As the land rises the river erodes it carrying the sediment out of the canyon. The angles in the strata are a result of the land rising at different rates. If someone were to take a core sample at an area where the sediment is deposited they would find different strata where the layers from the bottom of the canyon were on top and the layers above in the canyon, are lower.
I never said that you believed in a flat Earth (although a circle is 2 dimensional) or that you said it was 5000 years old but stated that you (as well as others) believe the Bible to be factually accurate. You are attributing comments to me that I never made. (This is probably due to your work as a political propagandist.)
If you believe that the Bible is factual (which is different than being true) that is fine but the basis of science is questioning what you believe and evaluating evidence to establish belief, not judging evidence on how it conforms to belief.
Herb
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Hello Herb:
The Paleontologists standard extinction time for the dinosaurs is 65 million years. There is no way that the soft tissue samples found could have been preserved that well for more than several thousand years. And this is in Montana, not the arctic. Near Dallas they have found foot prints (forget how they were solidified) of humans and dinosaurs made at the same time.
https://coolinterestingstuff.com/humans-and-dinosaurs-together-proof
All methods of archeological dating have been shown to be inaccurate so that is another scam the archeologists use. The fact that reptile bones and tropical plants have been found in the arctic demonstrates that the world is much different now than at one time. The Bible also indicates this and unlike in the age of Noah where people lived hundreds of years, the Bible states that mans life will be limited to 120 years. The oldest verified age is the French woman at 121.. Scientists say that the huge winged reptiles would never get off the ground under atmospheric conditions present today. As for the wholly mammoths, they have even found plant material with flower buds in their mouths. These animals could never have survived arctic conditions and had to be super froze very fast to be preserved as they are. No conditions existing today could have done that.
The sedimentary rock formations are found all over the world. They cannot all be explained by the movement of the Pacific tectonic plates. Nor the tree trunks extending through many of sedimentary rock.
We both have belief systems based on our own world view. Your beliefs are determined by what you call science but much of it is merely establishment dogma for the politically correct intelligentsia. Such as your belief in the ridiculous CGI fakery of 911, the asinine Apollo moon landing scam (you should watch official NASA footage and interview I linked) and the fake atomic attacks on Japan.for which I provided incontrovertible evidence. Even you admit that the “science” behind the phony climate change is fraudulent. It is just another part of the criminal elite’s agenda for total control as they fleece the flock. Same with the fake virus which you still believe in despite over 150 gov. health agencies all over the world unable to provide any written documentation for, and no viral sample having ever been extracted from any human or animal.
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Hello Jerry:
I assume you are referring to the NASA money laundering “shuttle disaster.” I have covered this before but will post again. All of the alleged ass-tronauts claimed to have perished on this widely seen hoax have been located ap. 30 years later, less one who has probably died in the intervening years. I will post link again. This time look at the pictures.
The fact that vehicles are launched and then possibly retrieved from the ocean proves nothing about even wether an orbit occurred or wether a cargo plane (or now possibly a helicopter) just parachuted them into the ocean. Look at the video I posted on on this article. There is no way any reasonable person would believe NASA put men on the moon. Look at the official NASA footage. Note Buzz Aldrin’s reply to the 8 yr. old girl at the end. It is about on par with the aluminum and composite aircraft that supposedly cut through structural steel and concrete buildings.
Mark
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Forgot to post link to fake Challenger disaster ass-tronauts.
https://aplanetruth.info/theyre-alive-challenger-crew-found-alive-and-well-30-years-since-the-disaster/
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Herb Rose
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Hi Mark,
Before fingerprints and DNA a means of identification was the shape of the ears. If you look at the ears in the photos (the ones that are visible) you can see that although the people may look similar they are not the same individual.
Herb
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Hello Herb:
Its the same people. Some of them even have the same name., or as is commonly done such as with the Sharon Tate “murder” they became their “brother” or “sister.” The slight ear difference is explained by the 30 year interval. All ears change with time. All of these people identified at the at the right age for the right amount of time is too much of a coincidence.
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Hi Mark,
This is what I mean by denial of evidence due to belief. Ears, like noses, are formed by cartilage which continues to grow. They do not get smaller or go from an elongated shape to a round ear. It is easy to change hair styles, superficial appearance but hard to change ears.
There are many people who identify with famous people, emulate them, and even identify with them. The man who claimed to be Billy the Kid, the woman who claimed to be Anastasia, the man whose body was displayed as being John Wilkes Booth all were imposters trying to gain fame and yet you accept any assertion that supports your belief and deny anything that challenges it..
Herb
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Hello Herb:
The imposters you mention were all easy to debunk. Now in the internet age it is much more difficult to cover up a scam because information is more available. That is why the gov. has to control the media and flood all networks using operatives 24/7. The pictures I linked have been available for a long time now. No one to my knowledge has been able to demonstrate they are fake as is routinely the case with crisis actors such as the “man in the street” who “explained it to us:” immediately after 911 was commenced, the Boston bombing, Sandy Hook and others.
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Hi Mark and PSI Readers,,
How is it that NASA can make up their videos and the ones to which Mark refers are always the real thing???
Have a good day, Jerry
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Jerry:
The video I linked in this article contains official NASA footage, photos of the totally asinine Lunar lander along with actual interviews by the ass-tronauts. Including the final remark to the 8 yr. old by Aldrin. The cartoonish CGI fakery used on 911 was shown by all the MSM and CNN actually stated the collapse of building 7, fifteen minutes before it occurred. No fake planes involved. This is not my cherry picking but rather official information. We have a clear trail of damning evidence for the fake virus from the Rockefeller papers issued in 2012, as well as the first pre pandemic meeting held by Robert (((Koch))) in the same year. Nobel Prize winner and PCR inventor Kary Mullis exposed the AIDS scam in the 80’s and conveniently “died” three months before the current fake virus was sprung. I almost forgot to mention that all of the countries had their fake PCR tests ordered back in 2018, long before the “virus” hit. As far as the fake atomic weapons I have provided incontrovertible proof of their failure. The fact that no country has deployed them now for almost 80 years ought to tell you something. You may continue to recline in your academic ivory tower while pontificating about water droplets in the atmosphere but your grand children will be living in the dystopian world of Agenda 21 unless more of the sheep start paying attention while there is still time, to the real world instead of the steady diet of Zionist propaganda they are being fed.
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Herb:
Is it not true that a much larger planet such as Jupiter exerts more gravitational force than the earth? However my main point is that the sun is throwing of incredible energy, losing mass (density) and these orbits of the earth and its satellite, the moon could not be sustained over millions, much less 4.5 billion years.
We will never know for sure about the fake shuttle crew. but going from experience it is entirely consistent with all the other fake events constantly being run by the government. The fake virus and the perfectly timed Ukrainian fake conflict with Hunter’s lap top are just the latest examples. It took over 30 years to plan 911, and the covid fake is really a repackaging of Fauci’s AIDS fake virus invention, which was enhanced by the conveniently deceased fake HIV collaborator Montagnier when he objected to injecting children. This medical arm of the Zionist run big Pharma began with the Rockefeller’s (Abraham and Simon Flexnor) Foundation and it’s series of about a dozen blood toxins used to kick off the 1918 “flu.” Just this years profits for Pfizer and Moderna are estimated to be over 120 billion. This is all on top of the trillions in “stimulus” given to their friends at Black Rock controlled co.s. Its all about control and fleecing the flock until they are thoroughly plundered. As Patrick Henry stated about Britain, “I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided and that is the lamp of experience.” We may also take into the account of former CIA director Casey who stated to puppet actor Reagan,
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
Herb, you are just leading the pack of useful idiots.
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Hi Mark,
One of the strange things about gravity is that planets, suns, or objects do not produce it. The force of gravity between every object in the solar system and the sun is different.
With other forces the strength decrease with distance from the source but with gravity there is not a single source. The strength of force of gravity between the sun and Jupiter is the product of their masses but when you ask how much of the force comes from the sun and how much comes from Jupiter the answer is all and none come from the sun and Jupiter.
If there is this large force flowing between the sun and Jupiter how is it that little Mercury, which is much closer to the sun is unaffected as it passes through it? The force of gravity is specific to the two objects and does not affect other objects and their mass. How can the Earth completely block the light coming from the sun from reaching the moon but not effect the gravity between the sun and moon?
Newton’s gravity is derived from Keppler’s law of orbiting objects. It says that when you multiply the velocity squared (energy) of an orbiting object times the distance between the object and the object it orbits the resulting value will be the same for all the orbiting objects. Newton asserted that this represented the mass (energy unknown at the time) and needed to create the gravitational constant (G) with its strange units to convert energy into mass. This is the reason why the densities of the moon, Mars, and the gas giants are so much smaller than the density of the Earth. We know the volumes of these orbiting objects but their mass is a result of Newton’s formula.
Your assertion that the sun is losing mass by emitting energy is based on Einstein’s theory which is based on the belief of a constant speed of light, for which there is n evidence. If the belief that matter and energy cannot be created destroyed (1st law of thermodynamics) is true then the only way an object can lose mass or energy is by transferring them to another object. All objects with energy radiate energy. That radiated energy field decreases until it encounters energy field from another object of equal strength. An increase in energy of one object results in an increase in size of its energy field and a decrease in size of the energy field radiated by the other object. The increase in size does not mean a loss of energy but a decrease in density.
In my experience there is no point in making long term plans because things beyond my control continually change and plans become useless. The best I can do is prepare for different contingencies and expect an unforeseen one to occur. Your belief that these plots can go on for decades or even centuries is in my opinion completely unrealistic and is an extrapolation of people taking advantage of a changing situation to be the result of long existing plan (which knowledge of what changes would occur). Hindsight is easy to see, foresight is obscure.
Herb
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QorpsE
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smh
I mean, you should read that and notice the contradictions.
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Hello Herb:
And thanks for the explanation about gravity. I did not realize that all of these celestial bodies were in effect sitting in a gravitational pool of interlocking force. I had read that if we were on Jupiter we would be squashed be its huge gravity. I know that if I set a large pile of trees on fire, as they burn, after a while the quantity of heat diminishes and is not radiated out near as far. I am assuming the sun would be the same over a long time.
It is difficult for most people that just go about minding their own business to understand there are evil people that are systematically carrying on a long term agenda for global totalitarian control. We need look no further than the highly coordinated centralized planning required for the implementation of the fake virus medical control scam. Or the more than 30 years required to coordinate all the various agencies, governing entities and operatives needed to conduct 911. Complex conspiracies require huge resources and detailed planning. But there are always some mistakes. For a well written footnoted example of the anglo Zionist network and the incredible maneuvering required by a team led by Alfred Milner with members including Edward VII, Lloyd George, Cecil Rhodes, Balfour, Haldane, Asquith, Grey and others read Gerry Docherty’s “Hidden History The Secret History of The First World War.:” All of these conspirators knew that their goal would not be accomplished in their lifetime. However their philosophical descendants are now very close.
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“send humans back”. Why not say “people”? As for “earth’s naturally satellite”, how about “the moon”? Am I too unsophisticated?
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Strang Haldane
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Yes, a good look at those landers on the moon is enough in itself to show see the hoax. Anyone not sure can download thousands of high quality NASA photos, and see for themselves.
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QorpsE
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Isn’t it convenient that the original “moon landing” footage was lost, had REMARKABLY similar effects to underwater physics, while NASA have hired a CGI company to make their “authentic footage” more “truthy”?
And this, irrefutable evidence of legitimacy:
Or the spaceX’s totally not CGI toy rocket massive physics defying space rodent related incident:
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Mark Tapley
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Hello QorpsE:
Thanks for posting the videos. More science FICTION to keep the herd focused on the space scam , while the money flows into the insiders pockets. Another program from the same criminals running the fake virus medical scam and climate change hoax. Its just as former CIA director Casey stated:
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
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Howdy
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If that’s a rodent, why does it look like an outline of a crude spaceship, while pulling a detached cat toy for a tail?
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“NASA is offering a second lucrative contract to fund a lunar lander for its upcoming mission to put men and the first woman on the Moon, it announced this week.”
Aren’t we to rejoice: there may be “Moonlings” coming forth — in due time.
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Kaiser:
Wrong message for todays zero procreation LGBTQ woke agenda. better to just send Asst. Sec. of Health, Tranny Rachel (((Levine))) down to the moon set and pretend they blasted the pervert into space.
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“The only thing NASA ever sent to Space was our imagination”.
It would make a welcome change to have a 4k camera Livestream, from right up on the tip of the Rockets as opposed to looking back at Earth, to prove beyond all doubt that they actually get as far as “Space”? It would be far better than the Cartoons they switch to, on every televised launch. Are they scared we might see where the Rocket is actually going? “What goes up, must come down”?
And, let’s say they could actually get to the Moon using Rocket technology. I know, “Imagination Required”.
To Prove they are there, how about placing a high -powered Lazer on the Moon, so that the Whole World would see it, instead of having to put up with yet more screen fakery.
Or they could just admit that they are using Saucers with Electromagnetic propulsion systems? But still take the Lazer 🙂
Nice one, Mark. A man after my own heart. Good on ya, pal and all the best.
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@ Andy:
If they said they used a laser, would you believe them anyway?
For what it’s worth…
Moon mirrors. http://www.famousdaily.com/history/laser-beam-first-bounced-off-moon.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Howdy:
They have bounced radio waves off the moon for decades. Don’t see how the steady widening orbit ap. 2 inches per year would be a factor. However that brings up another problem for the billions of years crowd. If the solar system was billions of years old, then the moon would have been so close to earth it would have been pulled into earth by the gravitational forces. Even if that did not happen, then the tides caused by the moon would be catastrophic. Assuming that also did not occur and we just had a continuous expanded orbit as now, the moon would have gone far out from its present orbit of 2 inches per year in billions of years.
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Hello again Mark,
If you do the calculations you will find that the gravitational attraction between the sun and the moon is 60% greater than the attraction between the Earth and the moon. The sun should have pulled the moon away from the Earth millions of years ago.
The problem lies in treating the Earth and moon as separate entities related to the sun. The gravity fields of the Earth and moon combine creating an Earth-moon entity that orbits the sun (center of gravity in the Earth’s mantle).
The orbit of any object is determined by its velocity. The slower the velocity the higher the orbit. (With orbit dynamics if you add energy (step on the gas) you end up going slower while if you lose energy (step on the brakes) you will go faster.)The rate of expansion of the moon’s orbit is not constant and can become negative if the moon were to gain energy.
Herb
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Herb:
You’re saying this gravitational tug of war has been going on successfully for 4.5 billion years, with a sun that is constantly losing mass. I don’t think so.
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Hi Mark,
There is no tug of war. For the sun the Earth and moon are one unit. Gravity has nothing to do with mass.
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Hello Mark,
“They have bounced radio waves off the moon for decades”
But that isn’t beamed light aimed at a precise target, which surely has to hit at a specific angle to hit a specific Earth mounted receptor. I don’t know the details, but I expect an array is required.
Hello Herb,
“The problem lies in treating the Earth and moon as separate entities related to the sun. The gravity fields of the Earth and moon combine creating an Earth-moon entity that orbits the sun (center of gravity in the Earth’s mantle).”
While this doesn’t completely explain it for me, and I don’t understand the mechanics, (you don’t need to go into detail Herb 🙂 ) It does give me something to think about.
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Hi Howdy,
Think of it as two different sized balls connected by a string. When you throw them they spin around each other in a wobbly path as they both move in the direction.thrown. The two act as one because they are connected..
Herb
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Hello Howdy:
You know a lot more about it than I do, but I figured if they can bounce radio frequencies they could probably do it with a laser beam. One thing is for sure, they didn’t put anyone on the moon as the video I posted proves. Did you see the rat crossing over the little model Space X thruster someone posted? Everything the Zionists do is a lie and a fraud like their fake virus and phony climate change. That also goes for their “Mars mission” to Devon island. There is no way they can navigate from here to Mars and land a craft. And how does the helicopter fly in an atmosphere a thousand times less dense than the earth.
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I don’t know a lot more than you about it Mark.
As far as I’ve seen before, a laser was bounced of the Moon’s surface itself. Wikipedia claims 1962. I would expect, very difficult to receive.
My answer to the rodent claim is above, but I’ll reproduce:
“If that’s a rodent, why does it look like an outline of a crude spaceship, while pulling a detached cat toy for a tail?”
The path of it’s ‘nose’ follows an uneven, but regular path, as if following a surface made irregular due to equi-spaced fasteners, like bolts on a steel vehicle oil pan causing regular arcs due to the gap between them as most tension is directly under the bolt head, thus maximum crush. Something like that.
I see no life form. My suggestion is, vibration has moved it.
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Hello Mark,
Regarding Mars navigation, I guess they could, but not yet.
The helicopter thing though, they are only dropping from a certain height, and the blades need only impede the fall, not prevent it. Best I can come up with.
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Hi Herb,
“Think of it as two different sized balls connected by a string.”
I get that, but your answer brought up another question:
Since the Earth’s orbit is not circular, and the moon moves relative to the Earth also, does this imply the connection between them and the Sun has a certain amount of ‘elasticity’ as it were, or is there a change in the force acting on them, like Sun variance?
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Hi Howdy,
Think of the Earth as a unit with its fields. The moon is also a unit with its fields. These 2 unit’s fields combine to make a larger unit. (Like two magnets close together, their magnetic fields combine to form a larger magnet.)
Look up Earth-moon barycenter. Maybe they can make it clearer.
Herb
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Thanks Herb,
I couldn’t find an answer to my specific problem. Nowhere seems to have covered it.
The barycentre is the fulcrum of a revolving mass. The balance point that will allow rotation without vibration. Viewed from above, It reminds me of a shot-put thrower who leans back to counteract the shot when spinning up to a throw.
It pertains to circular orbits. It doesn’t explain why the Earth has an elliptic orbit.
I guess I’ll just leave It.
I appreciate your time.
Herb Rose
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Hi Howdy,
An ellipse is where a round shape has 2 centers. A circle is where those 2 centers coincide.
The elliptical orbits of all the planets are moving to become circles. When the planet is closer to the sun it is not in equilibrium with the energy field emitted by the sun and gains energy (velocity). Its momentum from this increased velocity cause it to overshoot the equilibrium point and then have more energy than the sun’s field and then it loses energy to the energy field (less velocity) so there is constant adjustments going on. The fact that the radiated energy coming from the sun changes and the target equilibrium distance changes makes it extremely difficult to form a circular orbit.
I have a puzzle for you to ponder. In the asteroid belt there are binary asteroids orbiting the sun and each other, where the two asteroids are almost the same size. This means their barycenter is in the space between them. Isn’t it kind of strange that the point where the force from the sun’s mass connects to the point of the binary asteroids’ mass contains no matter?
Herb
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Hi Herb,
You said “overshoots”. This is something like what I was getting at I suppose, when I said: “the connection between them and the Sun has a certain amount of ‘elasticity’ as it were, or is there a change in the force acting on them, like Sun variance?”
Your puzzle:
The Barycentre being in open space wouldn’t matter if it relied on some force joining the two that the sun has control over. It could mean like magnetism, or electrical attraction and repulsion, which also exhibit overshoot and undershoot. Except those cases will come to rest after a time. Then again, you said “The elliptical orbits of all the planets are moving to become circles”.
You are stating the orbits will eventually become circular as the oscillations die down?
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Hi Howdy,
As long as the radiated energy of the sun changes.the orbits will not become circular.
Gravity is a force that causes movement said to be produced by matter. (Inertia is a resistance to movement produced by matter. If gravitational mass and inertial mass are equal how can gravity ever cause something to move?) Gravity is instantaneous (Einstein objected to Newton’s gravity because he believed nothing could travel faster than the speed of light) and between two points (centers of gravity) not the entire objects. Since matter is not radiated how can a point with no matter be the connection?.
Herb
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Hi Herb,
So was my answer to the puzzle any value?
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Hi Herb,
When I stated shot-put earlier, I actually meant hammer throw, from the Scottish version, which uses a ball. Guess my mind was elsewhere.
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Hi Howdy,
It didn’t solve the puzzle. There are equilibrium points between the gravitational fields of all the asteroids but they do not act as a unit with the sun’s attachment point at these equilibrium points. The answer (for me) is that gravity is not produced by matter but the energy associated with that matter. The size of an object is the area it influences (its fields) and that size is determined by the strength neighboring objects fields. The sun’s fields determine the size of the fields of objects in the solar system. For Mercury, Venus, and the moon their fields are not strong enough to push the sun’s fields away allowing objects to equalize with their fields. (The asteroids never coalesced into a planet because they travel through both the sun’s fields and Jupiter’s fields.) In the asteroid belt the strength of its fields has decreased enough so the size of some asteroid’s fields have expanded enough to allow objects to orbit them. If it was just a matter of mass why are there no natural satellites orbiting Mercury, Venus, the moon or even mountains?
The Russians discovered that space contains elemental hydrogen atoms. The size of these atoms is about 1 cm due to their energy fields which is strong enough to prevent them from combing into hydrogen molecules. (Just like the layer of oxygen and helium atoms in the upper atmosphere where the energy from the sun splits oxygen molecules.)
This is all just my theories and not accepted physics.
Herb
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Hi Herb,
OK, In the case of the planets, or Earth/Moon, the Barycentre is an active part, but when it comes to two asteroids, it’s different.
This is where it all falls apart for me. Other places say gravity, angular momentum, the asteroids are far apart, and all the rest of it. You have your own theories. That leaves me at a dead end.
Oh well, I’ll come up with my own theory.
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Hi Howdy,
The barycenter is the center of gravity for objects where their fields combine to form a unit with split mass. The equilibrium point is where two units meet but their fields do not combine, just transmit disturbances to each other. My puzzle was about if gravity is produced by mass how can somewhere with zero mass produce gravity? A wheel is formed by a circle but without a hub to attach it to something it is just a hula hoop. With zero mass at the barycenter how does it connect to something else?
Herb
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Hello again Howdy.
If gravity is a function of energy then attachment between and “pulling” between objects is not necessary. An object radiates an energy field that decreases with distance. An object (satellite) in equilibrium with that field neither gains or loses energy but coasts in an orbit. If that object gains energy (thrusters) it moves into a weaker field losing energy. It will then establish a new orbit (an elongated eclipse) trying to equalize (become a circle) with that field. If it continues to produce energy it will escape the field and enter the field of the larger controlling object (escape the Earth’s energy field and enter the sun’s energy field). By manipulating the new orbit the satellite can be made to pass close to other objects (Venus, Jupiter) and gain enough energy from their fields to escape the new field (Explorer and Vanguard satellites) and enter the next larger energy field (Milky Way).
A comet is an object in an elongated orbit but there is no mass at its second center to turn it around and make it head back towards the sun.
Herb
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Hi Howdy,
Another thought. A comet is attracted to where the sun is. The reason it doesn’t hit the sun is because the sun is moving and gets out of the way. The comet is pulled around the sun and heads back out into the outer regions of the solars system where it slows and heads back towards the sun. Since the sun keeps moving doesn’t this mean that the orbit of the comet is not an ellipse but a sine wave shape?
Herb
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Hi Herb,
You initially stated: “In the asteroid belt there are binary asteroids orbiting the sun and each other”
But unlike the planets or Moon, you refer to them by:
“The equilibrium point is where two units meet but their fields do not combine, just transmit disturbances to each other”
Why are they not linked as all the other bodies are if orbiting each other and/or the Sun? Why do their fields not combine?
What energy do you refer to?
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Hi herb,
“doesn’t this mean that the orbit of the comet is not an ellipse but a sine wave shape?”
I guess it would, but it wouldn’t be an orbit any longer, it would be an oscillation.
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Hi Howdy,
Objects not only radiate an energy attractive force that wants to combine to form larger objects but also a repelling negative electric field that want to keep them separate. As the attractive forces combine the internal force pulling them together is converted to a radiated force. (The magnetic flux lines of two magnets combine to form a third magnet while the flux lines between the magnets disappear.) The opposite occurs when the similar electric fields approach each other, the repelling force between them increases. The electric force from matter acts opposite to the attractive force of energy. (Opposite poles of a magnet merging result in a magnet with a larger stronger magnetic field. Opposite charges combining result in a neutron with very weak radiated electric fields. Similar poles being forced together produce a weaker radiated magnetic field/force as the internal repelling force increases. Similar electric charges forced together result in a larger stronger electric radiated field.) It is the balance of the two fields that determine if the objects combine to form a unit or remain separate.
The asteroids in the asteroid belt are in equilibrium with the energy field radiated by the sun (except when they travel through Jupiter’s radiated energy field). Within the belt the energy fields of the asteroids expand (due to the weaker solar field) and this allows them to combine to form a unit (like the Earth-moon) that is in equilibrium with in the sun’s field and orbit the sun.
In a reply to Mark I explained how this dual fields with opposite actions creates light (electromagnetic waves).
Herb
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Hi Herb,
I brought up magnetism, and electric attraction and repulsion previously. It wasn’t mentioned thereafter, so I assumed it safe It had no place in your query.
I know multiple magnets connected n/s create a stronger force, I’ve seen it used to open locks.
Perhaps It is wise to let the subject sleep?
Thank you for your patience and understanding Herb.
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Hello Herb:
The combined magnetic forces of earth and the moon depend on maintaining a precise orbit. If the moon continues to move away at the constant rate of 2 inches per year assuming all else in the planetary system remains the same, this would eventually create adverse effects on the earth would it not? Also if the moon were getting closer every year, it seems to me that would be much worse. Causing massive tide changes and eventually getting pulled into the bigger magnet.
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Hi Mark,
I prefer the term energy field. The magnetic field is a directional (caused by electrons) attractive energy force while gravity is a non directional radiated attractive force.
Objects also have electric forces and fields being radiated by the matter that makes up the objects (like the Earth and moon). As the Earth and moon move closer together the repelling force between their negative electric fields increases keeping them from combining.
As I have discussed elsewhere the electric and energy forces have opposite actions. When opposite magnetic poles become closer the radiated magnetic field becomes stronger and larger (bigger magnet). When opposite charges become closer the radiated size and strength of the electric fields become smaller (resulting in a neutron).
The opposite effect occurs when similar poles and charges approach each other. When the attractive force pulls objects together the force between them decreases and becomes radiated force. As the similar negative electric fields come closer the electric force pushing them apart increases in size and strength.
Light is where an increase in energy causes the radiated attractive force fields to increase, decreasing the distance to the neighboring object. (the size of an object is determined by its fields, not its matter and the distance to another object is from the equilibrium point between the fields to the source of the other field). When the energy moves (equalizing) the increased repelling force between their negative electric fields pushes the objects apart setting up an oscillation or electromagnetic wave.
The size and strength of the Earth’s and moon’s fields are not only determined by their individual fields but also the fields coming from the sun. Changes in the sun’s fields will change the distance between the Earth and moon and wether the moon is moving closer or further away from the Earth
Herb
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Hello Herb:
So changes in magnetism (closer or farther) effect electrical fields which keep the orbits in balance. Light causes an expansion of the energy field, decreasing the distance to other fields which then increase repelling forces, if I understand correctly.
I read that even though the earths orbit is not completely concentric it is very close, only getting off from apogee to perigee ap. 1%. Even that much variation along with sun spot intensities, causes climate changes, as with ice ages and warm periods.
Thanks for the explanation
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Light is a disturbance traveling in the electric and energy fields radiated by objects. The expansion and contraction of these fields are electromagnetic waves so I don’t think you can say that light causes the expansion, more like the expansion/contraction cause the light.
You understand this is just my theory. Everyone else believes that light is both an electromagnetic wave and a particle (photon) and can change properties as is needed. The velocity of a wave is determined by the strength of the medium it in which it travels and cannot be constant necessitating the photon(which can have a constant speed). Particles do not cancel each other out or reinforce each other (interference patterns) so light needs to have wave characteristic. All this because of the misinterpretation of the photoelectric effect (another version of the piezo electric effect) and an assertion that there is a maximum or constant speed of light.
Herb
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Hello Herb:
So you are saying the counteraction of the electro-magnetic energy fields produces light energy? I have read that although the speed of light is supposed to be constant, some measurements (how accurate?) say it is slowing. If the universe is expanding which they said was confirmed in 1920 and I believe the Bible confirms this in Isaiah 40:22 perhaps everything is slowing. And what does Herb think about those hypothetical Black Holes.
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Hi Mark,
Light is more like AC current. It is the changing strength of electric and magnet fields that power the motors. In the transmission wires the electrons flow in one direction for a while then reverse directions so they never move very far (unlike DC where the electrons must return to the source.)
The expanding universe is a result of the red shift of the spectrum of light coming from atoms in distant stars. The red shift (and blue shift) is said to occur from a Doppler effect as the source flight is moving away from (or with blue towards) the observer. This is based on the constant speed of light but if light is a wave traveling in the magnetic (energy) and electric (matter) fields then its speed would slow and speed up going through different strength fields producing the shift in wavelength. When light exhibits both a red and blue shift does it mean that the source was moving both towards and away from the observer when the light was emitted?
Singularities and “Black Holes” are the result of Einstein’s theories based on a maximum/constant speed of light and even he did not believe in them. There are areas (like the center of galaxies) where you see no light but this is due to the concentrated magnetic/energy field (not gravity) that bends the path of the light. They once had questions about “empty” areas of space where they could see no stars. When they got more powerful telescopes they discovered that these “empty spaces” were actually full of stars and galaxies like all other space.
If the speed of light slowed or increased or the size of everything doubled or halved, how would you know since everything is based on comparisons to other things?
Herb
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Hello Herb:
Thanks for the information. it all confirms that the further the radio telescopes probe, more of the same universe goes on into infinity. It is all a precise creation of irreducible complexity by the supreme designer.
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