Astronomers discover massive radio galaxy
Astronomers have discovered the largest radio galaxy ever, stretching at least 16 million light-years through space, new research shows.
The galaxy — named Alcyoneus after the son of Ouranos, the Greek primordial god of the sky — was discovered about 3 billion light-years from Earth by a “stroke of luck,” according to a statement from Leiden University in the Netherlands.
Radio galaxies house supermassive black holes at their cores.
As matter falls into the black hole, it releases energy in the form of two radio jets from opposite sides from the galaxy’s center, also known as an active galactic nucleus.
Using data from the Low-Frequency Array (LOFAR) network of radio telescopes located across Europe, researchers detected two massive plasma plumes emitted from a seemingly normal supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy.
Measuring at least 16 million light-years in length, these two jet streams stretch more than one hundred Milky Ways in diameter, representing the largest known structure of galactic origin, according to the statement.
The material blasted into space by these two jet streams includes the building blocks for new star formation.
Traveling at almost the speed of light, this material heats up and dissolves into plasma, which glows in radio light that LOFAR is able to detect.
Astronomers using the radio telescopes were previously unable to detect Alcyoneus because the plumes are relatively faint.
The researchers reprocessed existing images of the galaxy, revealing subtle, new patterns that alerted the team to the massive galactic structure.
While radio jets have been detected in many galaxies, including the Milky Way, the researchers are unsure how Alcyoneus grew to be so massive.
At first, they thought it could be due to an usually large black hole, an exorbitant amount of stardust or incredibly powerful jet streams.
However, these features appear relatively normal compared to other radio galaxies, according to the statement.
Alcyoneus may offer new clues about the structure of our universe, also known as the cosmic web, which is believed to connect all galaxies.
This complex network is composed of filaments of clustered galaxies, separated by giant voids.
The intergalactic medium between galaxies may play a role in shaping the galaxy’s massive plasma plumes.
Therefore, the researchers plan to further investigate Alcyoneus’ environment to see if anything in its surroundings can explain its unusual growth, according to the statement.
The findings have been accepted for publication in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.
See more here: space.com
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Jerry Krause
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Hi PSI Readers,
I have been waiting for a image like this one which introduces this article.
Via SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE we accept, I believe, that this is an image of what existed long, long ago.
So ask one to compare this image with what is written at the beginning of ‘The Holy Bible’ after there was light. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was havering over the waters.” (NIV)
Have a good day, Jerry
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She Blinded me with Science
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Attention PSI readers and science fans. There is no space. Space does not exist. It’s all a ruse. A lie. Falsehood. Absolute nonsense. What you see at night in the sky is a firmament or sky dome that rotates above the flat, motionless earth. Stars are merely points of light either within or above the firmament. The Sun and Moon are both luminaries of some sort both producing their own light.
Just like the Plandemic it’s all lies. We have all been scammed. It’s not the first time. It won’t be the last.
There is a reason that they show young kids the globe and have them build solar system models and memorize the planets in grade school. A reason that they always mention phrases like “Global reach” and Global warming, strongest man on the planet, etc. A reason every Universal movie starts off with a spinning globe. It’s called indoctrination. They teach all of us the same lies. That way we cannot easily ascertain what is real and what is fake. Think about it. At this time, the entire world is under the mass delusion that Covid is a real virus that can make one sick or even die. But for anyone that actually researches information beyond the main stream narrative, the lies of covid quickly fall away and the hoax is crystal clear. Same for “global warming”. And same for the lie of space, the globe, planets and all the other science fiction nonsense.
Give it a shot. Actually research the supposed Moon landings. See how ridiculous that scam really is.
Just for starters think about the Saturn 5 rocket back in the early 1970s. That rocket was close to 300 feet tall. It used every last stage of fuel just to allegedly get through the atmosphere. Then somehow had enough power remaining in just the remaining command module and lunar lander of that massive rocket to travel 230,000 miles to the Moon. Orbit. Detach the lunar lander, descend to the Moon’s surface. Then blast off the Moon and link up with the command module without crashing. Then travel back through space for another 230,000 miles to earth, enter earth orbit, and then break through the atmosphere and safely splash down in the ocean. All of this with 1969 early 1970s technology. Back then lead acid batteries were cutting edge. If anyone actually believes that I really don’t know what to say to you other than I am sorry you are so incredibly gullible and ignorant.
Once the Moon nonsense falls away like the sick joke that it is, look into trying to observe or measure the earth’s curvature. You will find that it simply does not exist. Observe the Moon and Sun in the daytime sky and often you will see that there is no way that the half or quarter Moon that you see could be illuminated by the angle and position of the sun that you observe.
Go to Eric Dubay’s website https://ifers.123.st/ there you will find thousands of hours of research material not only about the lies of the earth and space but hundreds of other topics as well.
You can see through Covid. You can see through Global warming. See if you can now see through the lies of space and the globe.
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Climate Heretic
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She Blinded Me With Nonsense.
Regards
Climate Heretic
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Colin McFirthy
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Climate Heretic have you ever looked into any of this? Looked into any of this beyond articles written to debunk it? There is very compelling information in support of a flat earth. And so many holes in the Heliocentric theory of space. You may be quite surprised.
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Vivaldi
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I find it interesting that nobody wants to even touch your example of the Saturn V Rocket. That has always blown my mind. I guess I thought that most of the rocket stages were carried on into space to be used to complete the journey.
But you are correct. Only the command module and lander left earth’s atmosphere. Then had to complete a 640,000 mile round trip to the Moon and back. With like no more fuel. How does that work? How did they keep a tin can supplied with oxygen for all that time? How did they keep a tin can the right temperature in the cold space or from burning up on the Moon? What with some compressed gas and 100 pond lead acid batteries?
It’s all pure bullshit. But for some weird reason, people steadfastly believe. I think people want to believe.
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Born Yesterday
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Funny thing about rockets and space. It’s simply impossible for a rocket to operate in the vacuum of space.
A rocket engine needs something (an atmosphere) to push against. In the vacuum of space, there is nothing for the thrust to act upon. So Einsteins theory of action reaction cannot operate in the vacuum of space.
Experiments have been done in a vacuum chamber with a fan and a feather. When the air pressure is removed in the chamber the fan does not effect or move the feather.
Space travel is not possible with rockets in the vacuum of space.
The first challenge is to uncover the big lies. Then all the smaller supporting lies just fall away like the cheap garbage that they all are.
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sorbet
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That’s a fact Jack!
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Captain Allende
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You are correct about curvature. There is a spherical trigonometry formula based upon a sphere of approximately 24,000 miles in circumference (that the globe earth is stated to be).
Using this formula, a drop of 8 inches per mile with the distance squared would be the rate of curvature across the sphere.
So in 1 mile the drop would be 8 inches. The drop in 3 miles would be 8 inches times 3 miles times 3 miles or 8x3x3= 72 inches.
I say drop because if you are on a sphere you are always perceiving that you are on the “top” of the sphere and all directions would appear to drop away.
I have conducted many experiments using this formula and have seen objects clearly when they should have dropped below the horizon but have not.
Consider this example:
A modern jetliner aircraft cruises at around 500 MPH ground speed.
Lets do the formula:
8 inches x 500 x 500 = 2,000,000 inches. Convert to feet. 2,000,000 divided by 12 = 166,666 feet.
Aircraft climb and descend instruments are calibrated in feet per minute.
So lets calibrate the drop per hour to drop per minute:
166,666 divided by 60 = 2,777 feet per minute.
So in essence, a jetliner traveling at 500 miles per hour ground speed would gain altitude when flying over a sphere the size of the earth at the rate of 2,777 feet per minute unless the pilots corrected their trajectory at a rate of descent of 2,777 feet per minute just to maintain cruising altitude.
This simply does not occur. A rate of descent of 2,777 feet per minute is considered a extreme rate of descent that would only ever be used in an emergency so the whole idea of a spherical earth is simply fantasy.
If you look at any aerodynamic models used in computing aeronautical data they are always based on a flat, non-rotating earth.
No engineer ever applies the supposed curvature of the earth when planning and building bridges, aqueducts, tunnels, canals or railroad tracks.
I have over 11,000 hours of pilot flight time in all sorts of aircraft including airliners. I can tell you that there is no rate of descent to maintain earth ball altitude, no dive initiated and no throttling back the engines in cruise to adhere to a sphere and maintain cruising altitude.
In cruise flight, a spinning gyro that is set in motion during engine start on the flat level ground and remains spinning level with that last reference point contained is what is used to maintain a reference to the flat level earth. It does not compensate for a sphere or curving flight path at all.
It doesn’t need to because the earth surface below is flat. Thus an airplane. Not an airplanet.
Thus sea level and not sea curve. Above the fruited Plane. Not above the fruited planet.
If only people could apply logic and reason they would see the folly of the globe.
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Howdy
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“There is no space”
The conviction is strong with this one.
Simple question then, can you prove it, minus the nonsense, so I can see for myself, right now?
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She Blinded me with Science
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Nope. Can’t prove a thing. Nor can you. Nor can NASA.
But you could research the website I provided. Or any other website that challenges the narrative.
You can think. Or not.
I open a door. It’s the readers responsibility to enter.
Not my purpose to prove anything at all.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi She and PSI Readers,
“Not my purpose to prove anything at all.” She, my purpose is to convince a PSI Reader that what one sees can prove a SCIENTIFIC IDEA (THEORY) to be absolutely wrong. And that this important because WRONG SCIENTIFIC IDEAS always hinders PROGRESS. And yes, I have read that some people do not to have any progress. They want to live like humans did before Galileo introduced us to Two New Sciences.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Californee
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Jerry wrote “She, my purpose is to convince a PSI Reader that what one sees can prove a SCIENTIFIC IDEA (THEORY) to be absolutely wrong”
One cannot convince others of anything. All one can do is present information.
Jerry wrote “And that this important because WRONG SCIENTIFIC IDEAS always hinders PROGRESS. And yes, I have read that some people do not to have any progress. They want to live like humans did before Galileo introduced us to Two New Sciences.”
How does anyone really know if what Galileo introduced to us is really the truth at all. At the end of the day each individual has to find and establish what the truth is to them. Is it the truth based on what historical figures have said or is it the truth that they behold with their very own eyes, senses and intellect?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Californee,
I admit that “One cannot convince others of anything. All one can do is present information.” is TRUE (A TRUTH). Just as I read that Galileo wrote: “We cannot teach people anything; we can only help them discover it within themselves.” For which you have provided evidence that his statement is TRUE (A TRUTH) which is not merely my opinion or assumption.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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“Nope. Can’t prove a thing. Nor can you”
You made the claim, the onus is on you. I’ve given observable-by-anybody examples on PSI that prove a point before, yet, people of your disposition shoot them down.
I will not be sifting through a message board to satisfy your whim.
My answer is given, take it or leave it.
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Calistoga H2O
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So you prefer to remain ignorant of any information that might otherwise serve to potentially change your way of thinking about how things are?
I think that is called being willfully ignorant.
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Howdy
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How very brave calistoga. Another one who thinks they know me.
You people harp on about the wonder of God’s creation, yet spit in the eye of Jesus, and his teachings in nearly every comment you make that refutes a question. You are the unjust, the pretenders, the judas’, and you know it. When the time is at hand, the lake of fire will welcome you.
That’s how I define ‘willfully ignorant’. Self-destruction is what it’s called.
Calistoga H2O
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You are a weirdo “Howdy”. You have over a dozen posts on this article alone just jumping on anyone that does not share your world view. You don’t want to debate. You don’t want to learn. You don’t want to discuss, banter or even be nice. You are out of your league when you challenge anyone who actually researches and writes useful information. Then you start talking about the Lord and his Son as though anyone that calls out your foolishness is committing a sin. And yes you are willfully ignorant and lazy. Too lazy to do anything constructive but belittle anyone who is not as woefully indoctrinated as you. Lake of fire my ass. Quit playing the victim. You know you are rude and mean. I’ve seen your tripe comments all over PSI and most of them are just stirring up shit. Cringe worthy is how I would describe your drivel.
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Bertie MacBeetle.
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You would be an evil piece of shit. Not discussing or debating science but abusing individuals.
I hope Howdy learns to not feed the trolls, as, alas, I am currently doing.
Death is the great equalizer. If yours was earlier rather than later would be a little poetry, Calistoga.
Fuck off!
Calistoga H2O
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Serious psychopaths. “Howdy” and the alter ego Bertie MacBeetle. How exactly is condemning people to death and pontificating about the lake of fire debating science? I guess Flat Earth terrifies you ghouls! Nice potty mouth. Is that you “Howdy”?
Howdy
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If you don’t know yet, flat Earth is largely based on Bible teaching, hence my approach is also based on the Bible.
Note: When I write ‘you’, it refers to the same bunch of people of the flat-Earth mindset that visit and don’t do science, just disrupt, it is not aimed at calistoga alone.
@Calistoga
“You have over a dozen posts on this article alone just jumping on anyone that does not share your world view.”
A dozen? Show me.
You are condescending and vulgar, that is why I speak.
“belittle anyone who is not as woefully indoctrinated as you”
Your words are a mirror of yourself. Check the Bible out to see where you go wrong.
“as though anyone that calls out your foolishness is committing a sin.”
You don’t call anybody out, you attack and belittle. It is the method used that is the error. Jesus tells you to be humble…
“I’ve seen your tripe comments all over PSI and most of them are just stirring up shit. ”
Obvious lie. Plus I respond in a tactile fashion, unlike you people who abuse en masse. You are the abomination.
I’m not a victim, you are. Re-read my comments previously to see why.
“Serious psychopaths. “Howdy” and the alter ego Bertie MacBeetle”
See? Can’t help yourself. Actually, you people have the numerous handles, to back yourselves up, and is noticeable by writing style. I can handle myself.
“How exactly is condemning people to death and pontificating about the lake of fire debating science?”
I never condemned anybody. YOU are condemning yourself by your actions, as stated by Jesus, not me. I’m just trying to point you in another direction. You cannot see it.
You don’t discuss science as I’ve pointed out several times.
Lake of fire is quote from the Bible. Revelation actually. You do the good book, and the word of God an injustice with your slanderous description of it (pontificating)
“Lake of fire my ass”
Blasphemy!!!
Get thee behind me satan!
“Nice potty mouth. Is that you “Howdy”?”
No, but much more tame than we’ve heard from you ‘flatlander’ types.
For your information, I’ve only ever used an expletive on this site once I believe, when my feelings got the better of me. It won’t happen again.
Finally, to reinforce my previous words:
You people harp on about the wonder of God’s creation, yet spit in the eye of Jesus, and his teachings in nearly every comment you make that refutes a question.
Are you noticing yet?
@Bertie
Sorry bud, I know it’s pointless discussion, but just having a joust. Done ‘pontificating’ now anyway.
Bertie MacBeetle.
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Cheers for that Howdy. I too had noticed the writing style under different names.
Best wishes.
Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy and She,
As I read what She wrote, I was considering it was all sarcasm until the last sentence. But then I went to her link and found she was also being sarcastic about it. But I have to admit that I don’t claim to actually know this because only She knows why She wrote that which She did.
But at her link I found someone’s writing about liquid waves. A topic which I cannot remember reading about here at PSI. A topic which I had been pondering about and considering the obvious fact of the difference between a ‘smooth’ ocean surface and an ocean surface with observable ‘swells’.
And I asked myself: Doesn’t an ocean surface with observable swells have to have a greater surface area than a ‘smooth’ one??? Of course, I can SEE that the ocean surface with observable swells must have a greater surface area. Hence, given the assumption that both surfaces have the same temperature, I must conclude that the surface with swells is emitting more IR radiation upward than the smooth surface.
What do you ‘think’ about those ‘apples’ which are hanging low from a branch???
Have a good day, Jerry
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She Blinded me with Science
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Jerry? What exactly are you trying to say? I mean really? Can you break it down?
All I read is something incoherent and confusing. Is it a puzzle?
There is no sarcasm in my posts. No sarcasm at the IFERS website.
Waves, swells and apples?
Jerry ???????
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Jerry Krause
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Hi She,
If there is no purpose to what you write and those at the site you linked, why do you and they waste their time writing that which has not purpose???
While I have no idea of your age, I am sure you will eventually discover that one makes more and more errors as one gets older. However, this (making errors) has always been one of my problems. But as you can read, this doesn’t SHUT ME UP as I have a purpose; even if there is little evidence that am having much success.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Smithsonian Smyrna
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Jerry,
Perhaps a good game of scrabble along with some cookies and milk before bed is more appropriate than writing gibberish? Or at least proof read and correct the gibberish before sending. That would be nice.
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Howdy
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Hi Jerry,
“Doesn’t an ocean surface with observable swells have to have a greater surface area than a ‘smooth’ one???”
Agreed. In electronic practice too, heat radiant surfaces will cool more quickly, even without forced air if the finish is even slightly finned, lumpy, or even has holes in it, because they all lead to greater surface area.
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She Blinded me with Science
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Jerry you are confused. I never said there is no purpose to my writings or the information contained in the IFERS website I linked.
I only stated that it is not my purpose to prove anything to anyone. That is an impossible task.
Commenters like Howdy believe what they believe. Yet they demand proof. They want to be spoon fed only to bite the fork.
For that reason I will only offer information that can be used or not.
Reader’s choice.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi She,
A great fact about the written and published word is you can not say (Jerry you are confused. I never said there is no purpose to my writings) because February 19, 2022 at 6:33 pm you did write that.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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“Jerry you are confused. I never said there is no purpose to my writings or the information contained in the IFERS website I linked.”
If you understand the basis of Jerry’s comment, you would know the answers. It was a test I believe.
“I only stated that it is not my purpose to prove anything to anyone. That is an impossible task.”
Then you can’t blame the reader for asking awkward questions. Look at the company you’re in. I don’t include myself in that company because I see threads like this as sport.
“Commenters like Howdy believe what they believe. Yet they demand proof. They want to be spoon fed only to bite the fork.”
Thanks, there’s the opening sneak-attack-deflection-tactic that is so much in evidence concerning the subject.
For that reason I will only offer information that can be used or not.
Best I’ve heard yet. You can’t be blamed either way because your comments are meaningless.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi PSI Readers and Howdy,
Some of the information I hope to give PSI Readers is do not Believe everything one reads wherever, and especially here at PSI. And you have just supplied this information when you wrote: “I don’t include myself in that company because I see threads like this as sport.”
Thank you for this information!!! I accept that it is a TRUTH!
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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Yes it is, Jerry.
@She Blinded me with Science.
Your statement: “can be used or not”
It comes across as contradictory, though to be fair to you, It could be read as ‘take it or leave it’ I guess.
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Crimson and Clover
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“Astronomers have discovered the largest radio galaxy ever, stretching at least 16 million light-years through space, new research shows.”
Is that right? At least 16 million light years through space? So “astronomers” have discovered this “new research shows”.
Why is it that many people will just accept stories like this? This story is way beyond the ability for anyone to actually measure, observe or realize. Yet because “Astronomers have discovered the largest radio galaxy ever, stretching at least 16 million light-years through space, new research shows.” the average person will believe this story. It is single source information that only the “astronomers” have.
So why believe it?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Crimson,
Have you ever been able to see the Milky Way with your ‘naked’ eye? Some of us have. And some us have looked through a simple telescope and have seen the distances between the stars only increase.
Howdy, for sport, has written: “I don’t doubt they detected the galaxy, but everything they see is from the past, and whatever they see, there is every chance It no longer exists.” Which I only edit a bit to write: whatever they see absolutely no longer exists, for the speed of light has been measured numerous ways and has been observed to be finite and constant as only assumed by Einstein. I only try to correct misinformation.
Have a good day, Jerry
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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Jerry, what they see is an illusion either way.
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Howdy
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Fair point Crimson and Clover,
Assuming it’s correct. To ‘ping’ an object at such distance would require waiting 32 million years from transmission to reception.
I don’t doubt they detected the galaxy, but everything they see is from the past, and whatever they see, there is every chance It no longer exists.
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John V
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Maybe if the ISS falls onto She’s house as it’s orbital decay finally reaches its firy end, will the true meaning of firmament be realized lol
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Jerry Krause
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Hi PSI Readers,
I encountered another person whom I previously had concluded that he had studied much and generally knew fundamental physical science. But when I suggested that he partner up with me to help me do more science, he declined because he enjoyed the sport of debate. So my point is that Howdy is another one of these knowledgable people one should pay attention to what they write.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Don Corleone
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Sure are a bunch of commenters above that think questioning space is off limits. I wonder why that is?
Nothing should be off limits.
If the Covid 19 fraud was off limits would everyone just believe in that?
When did thinking outside the narrative suddenly become off limits?
Isn’t thinking beyond what has been taught one of the keys to discovery? To truth? Why is the earth’s shape and space such a sacred cow?
Closed minded thinking.
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Howdy
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Don Corleone,
Nobody denies questioning space as off limits, and nobody has. Jerry and myself asked a question or two, and I asked for proof. What’s wrong with that?
Hypothetically speaking, supposing you get 1000 people do an experiment. 100 get similar results as you, but the rest get something different enough to not qualify as success. Who do you go with when defining the result? Empirical data would suggest you are wrong. Are the other 900 closed minded because of that?
I understand your skepticism, but you have to understand mine. It is non-productive to start a war when another disagrees with ones way of thinking. This is what happens most every time this subject arises. If supporters of flat-Earth or the Bible account of conditions wish to believe that, then fair play. Where I take issue is being force fed the idea, or pounced upon for a genuine request I made.
I take from the Bible Don, but I allways keep in mind the Bible is a riddle book, as stated by Jesus.
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Tom
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We are seeing this galaxy as it was 3 billion years ago. In real time, it might not even exist for some reason. Much of the entire universe could be gone and we wouldn’t know it for millions of years until there were no more lights in the sky to reach our sight.
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Robert Beatty
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“Alcyoneus may offer new clues about the structure of our universe, also known as the cosmic web, which is believed to connect all galaxies.”
This is interesting to contemplate, because it appears our Gravisphere is connected to other nearby Gravispheres through some magnetic like mechanism. The evidence for this lies in how the arms of spiral galaxies are shown to ‘tie together’, rather than follow Keplers laws of planetary rotation.
This would occur if there is some mechanism which aligns these cosmic ray bursts between the galaxies.
Food for thought.
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The average person looks up into the night time sky and sees all the stars. That person could by his own senses easily perceive that what he sees is similar to what he saw at the planetarium during a school field trip. That is a giant dome that contains lights that always display the exact same constellations. For thousands of years those constellations have been exactly the same. Moving in a perfect circle above with the stationary star of Polaris at the center of rotation.
Or that same person could be exposed as most of humanity has to the Rockefeller Foundation based school curriculum that teaches kids in 3rd grade all about the solar system.
And after that see all the CGI imagery that NASA shows about galaxies far away. And further brain washed by the thousands of Hollywood science Fiction movies.
To be able to step away from the belief system of planets, stars, globe earth and “gravity” takes time. Not something that can be posted here and taken up by the casual reader. To undo a lifetime of indoctrination takes time. Takes observations and research. Takes reinforcement.
I discovered that things in “space” are not as presented about 7 years ago. When I did, it was at least several months before I accepted it. I held firm to the globe and tried my best to debunk this old / new information about how things are. In the end, I failed. I had to let go of everything I thought I new about the earth and space because it all became so utterly ridiculous.
Perfectly normal to not believe the earth is a globe. That’s what has been presented to all of humanity. But for the individual that dares to look further. To conduct logical experiments and observations that anyone can do easily and to think beyond the paradigm. That individual will find that things simply do not add up to what has been presented. Not at all.
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The Rockefeller Foundation completely took over all school curriculum long ago. That same Rockefeller Foundation wrote “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development” in May of 2010. On page 18 of this Rockefeller document a scenario of all countries working together in Lockstep to combat a deadly pandemic is described.
https://thecollapseexperiment.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/the-annotated-rockefeller-foundation-lockstep-2010.pdf
Co inky dink?
So the same trillionaire inbred family creates and takes over all education curriculum and creates wild stories about space is the same family that describes almost exactly what is now gripping the entire world in 2022 back in 2010?
Read it for yourselves and decide.
Truth is stranger than fiction. Way stranger.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Delta,
You began: “The average person looks up into the night time sky and sees all the stars. That person could by his own senses easily perceive that what he sees is similar to what he saw at the planetarium during a school field trip.”
Based upon this, I must conclude that you do not have a very high opinion about the intelligence of an average person to not understand the difference between the NATURAL and the ARTIFICIAL.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Delta Maxx
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Jerry,
If you read everything that I say you might understand what it is I am trying to say. Instead you pick a sentence and apply your own interpretation and come up with missing the point entirely.
Then you capitalize natural and artificial to drive home your off the reservation point.
Come on Jerry. Stop being lazy.
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Howdy
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Delta Maxx,
“The average person looks up into the night time sky and sees all the stars. That person could by his own senses easily perceive that what he sees is similar to what he saw at the planetarium during a school field trip.”
Similar does not mean same.
What about the more discerning person? Is ones own sight more important than being told something from a book that can’t be proven?
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Cranston McMann
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Even a caveman knows the earth is flat. Every single civilization in the past understood that the earth is flat and motionless.
It was not until Galileo, Kepler and Newton (all freemasons) decided to tilt, spin and obfuscate what was known to be.
The rest as they say is history. History written by the ones that own and control this realm.
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Crimson and Clover
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To almost anyone the statement that “The Earth is Flat” is a joke. It’s the same reaction that the average person gets with the term “Conspiracy Theory”. Or “Chemtrails” or even “Anti-Vaxxer”.
All by design. The CIA created the term “Conspiracy Theory”. And they created the slide reaction to that term. It has been so ridiculed in the CIA created popular culture that most will recoil and flee from any consideration at all. That is what they have been conditioned and trained to do.
With further investigation however, these terms easily gain traction. All these terms open up and show validity.
It’s up to the individual to turn against the tide and look further. Nobody is going to do it for you.
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Sure. The JFK assassination created such a storm that they had to do something. Anyone can see the film of JFK’s head snapping back and his wife scrambling to retrieve the back of his skull as it is blown across the limousines trunk.
Yet we are to believe Oswald shot him from behind in the book depository?
We live in a system where unseen and publicized characters assassinate Presidents who go against the system, create fake pandemics and indoctrinate humanity into abstract belief systems about the earth and space and lie about just about everything.
Welcome to the Flat Earth. Always has been. Always will be.
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I am curious. What exactly is the force that spins the earth? In nature anything that is spun tends to stop spinning. Why not the earth? Why does it continue to spin and not stop?
And this whole orbit thing? Science tells us that orbits decay. So why hasn’t the earth and all the planets orbits decayed and been drawn into the Sun? Why hasn’t the Moon orbit decayed and thus the Moon crashed into Earth? And for that matter, why would the Moon orbit the Earth and not break free to orbit the Sun? Isn’t the Sun more massive and thus more orbital?
Sure I’m simplifying things but still none of it makes any sense at all.
Must all be bullshit.
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Howdy
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@Stop making sense
“Must all be bullshit.”
Not really. There is another explanation, and that one refers to the engineering involved in creating what we call ‘space’. To cause purposefully aligned space-borne objects to crash into each other, is counter productive. Why even consider it when life is placed there? Unless there is just reason, It is plain wrong. This does not include objects on a collision course from natural happenings because that is the balance of the universe.
Just because one knows about decaying orbits and such, does not have to translate to other bodies in space falling on our heads. Just because It is so with products of humanity, it does not follow that all objects that existed even before life did, follow this destructive route.
Truth is, humanity simply doesn’t understand enough to make any calls.
Some things are bigger you know.
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I have access to a flight simulator. I have tried to circumnavigate the globe East to West and it works out, no problem. But when I try to do the same type of flight going North and South a funny thing happens. The flight path goes due South to near 90 degrees South Latitude and then turns 90 degrees left or right and will not complete a circumnavigational flight route. Why is that? If it’s a globe there should not be any boundaries to circumnavigation in any direction.
Any direction works except going beyond 90 degrees South.
Perhaps the navigation model is set up for the true shape of the pizza like design of the flat earth. The crust is the South Pole. The center is the North Pole. Can’t go past the crust in any direction.
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The Walrus
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NASA claims that the earth spins at over 1000 MPH. And that the earth orbits the Sun at 66,616 miles per hour. And that the Sun moves around the milky way galaxy at a speed of 536,865 mph. And the known Universe expands greater than the speed of light which is 6.702 x 10 to the 8th power MPH. That’s a whole lot of speed in lots of different directions.
Yet Orion’s Belt, the Big Dipper, the little Dipper and all of the constellations appear exactly the same as they have for thousands of years.
And interestingly, the star patterns appear as perfect rings forming around the North Star of Polaris when viewed from earth using a time lapse camera.
Not at all possible when referring to the data supplied by NASA.
Yet we see what we see.
Wouldn’t it be so much more sensible to reject all the absolute garbage from NASA and embrace what it is we do see and continue to see for thousands of years? The same stars and constellations with absolutely no changes ever.
NASA with all it’s lies has created it’s very own doom when you apply their information and then try to make it work out. It doesn’t. But they are betting on the assumption that you won’t apply their data against reality.
As I write this my coffee cup is dead still. And that is because the earth and everything contained within this realm upon which my coffee cup sits is still and motionless.
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Howdy
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@ the walrus,
I can have a cup of coffee on an airliner, and it appears dead still, but only relative to the aircraft. From any other point, that coffee is hurtling through the atmosphere at the speed of the plane.
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Nice. But untrue. I too have had coffee on an airliner and I have the stains on my pants to show from the disturbances created from the flight. The coffee thing was just a note. The real gist of my discussion focuses on multiple speeds and opposing motions and apparently unchanged constellations and star trails. Care to comment on that?
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Howdy
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“Nice. But untrue”
Sorry, but my example is completely valid. The aircraft status quo suffered a disturbance, the coffee spilled. Were your coffee on your table or whatever be disturbed by external force, the coffee would spill just the same.
“The coffee thing was just a note.”
Yet you used it as definition of your stance. Rather more than a note I think.
“The real gist of my discussion focuses on multiple speeds and opposing motions and apparently unchanged constellations and star trails.”
Really? I can look directly up and the constellation Orion, and see It move across the sky, changing position every night. Don’t try and tell me it doesn’t.
The constellation Crux, which represents the Cross of Christ, can not be seen from the North, but It can in the South. As such, there are some possibilities. Earth is flat and people live under the disk too, or it’s a sphere. The former is not supported by flat Earth conditions, not least because there is no gravity to prevent people falling off.
Care to comment on that?
PDF describing the cross: https://biblenumbers.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/libra-the-cross-of-chrst.pdf
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The Walrus
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Howdy,
Where to even start? Right. Coffee. Yes it was a note. One sentence at the end versus about 12 sentences concerning all the different speeds that are going on in the supposed “Universe”. OK turbulence spilled the coffee.
As for the constellation Orion, yes it moves across the sky each night. But it moves in a circular path as do all the stars centered around Polaris. The shape and formation of Orion’s Belt and all constellations have never changed. Orion’s Belt viewed thousands of years ago appears the exact same as it does now. And that certainly is not possible with all the different movement of the supposed “Universe” . All the constellations in the sky would appear to be much different by now. And star trails would not appear as they do. They would all appear in a hap hazard streaking manner and constellations would change and go away as the Universe expanded at speeds greater than the speed of light.
And finally well, not sure what you are getting at with your comment so here is what you said. “The constellation Crux, which represents the Cross of Christ, can not be seen from the North, but It can in the South. As such, there are some possibilities. Earth is flat and people live under the disk too, or it’s a sphere. The former is not supported by flat Earth conditions, not least because there is no gravity to prevent people falling off.
Care to comment on that? ”
Sure so yes, I believe the Earth is flat and the reason only people in the South can see the Southern Cross is because that portion of the Firmament is beyond the visual range of most of the land in the Northern regions. When one looks into the night sky, only a portion of the sky dome can be seen due to the size of the flat earth. Time lapse star trails illustrate that very nicely.
The flat Earth still has a North Pole in the center and an equator which is the path that the Sun and Moon follow around the stationary flat earth during Spring and Fall as well as the Tropics of Capricorn and Cancer which are the paths that are followed in the Northern Hemisphere’s Winter and Summers. The flat earth also has a Southern boundary which forms the circumference that eventually meets up with the firmament.
It is believed that the model is similar to a speaker with a magnetic center and another magnetic opposite being the circumference. Theoretically of course as I have not personally seen it.
Interestingly the temperatures at the South Pole we are told are much colder than the temperatures at the North Pole. And the biodiversity at the Northern Latitudes is far greater than any lands at corresponding Southern Latitudes. That information does not make sense using a globe model yet makes perfect sense when the Flat Earth model is consulted.
Oh and one more thing. The timberline altitudes of trees is very telling. In Colorado with a Latitude of about 39 degrees North, timberline is about 11,500 feet. On the South Island of New Zealand at a Latitude of about 44 degrees South, timberline is about 3,000 feet. On a globe they should be about the same. But again consulting the flat earth model and the lack of Sun energy received due to that model, 3,000 feet in Southern Latitudes makes perfect sense.
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“Orion’s Belt viewed thousands of years ago appears the exact same as it does now. And that certainly is not possible with all the different movement of the supposed “Universe” .”
What are you talking about? Course they are the same. You can’t see relative movement of distant stars by eye. The pyramids are built on Orion’s belt. That isn’t possible if they move. Because you wish it will not change the order of the universe.
“beyond the visual range of most of the land in the Northern regions”
Northern regions? It wouldn’t matter on a disk, since nothing can be lower than the edge. All should be visible, except flat earth theory can’t accommodate anything lower than the edge. That being the case, anybody should see crux if nothing is in the line of sight and if what you say is true. Since Northerners can’t in actual fact see it now, it has to be below this edge and shows flat Earth for what it is.
Not sure what my comment about crux means? It’s self explanatory.
Phew! I was enjoying this until your last comment where you’ve now taken it back to square one. Not that anything I just typed matters either.
Since we’re back where we started, lets end it right here as nothing of value to be learnt.
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Sounds good. You may not have learned anything. But I have. Some folks are just too stubborn and closed to any thing that opposes their comfort zone of supposed knowledge. I used to think similar and thought I had it figured out but then I was able to think beyond all that.
My Grandad was right when he said you can’t fix stupid. Guess that makes it Checkmate.
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“My Grandad was right when he said you can’t fix stupid. Guess that makes it Checkmate.”
You degenerated into the usual that I expect from ‘flat earthers’. I’d hoped that you were different. You’re just like the rest of the lost sheep. I guess none of you can be trusted to behave like decent folk.
Regardless, I wish you well. Take care.
Over and out.
Howdy
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You believe a ‘flight simulator’ is truly representative of reality?
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Yes I do. The flight simulator I tried it with was a multi-million dollar state of the art simulator for commercial and military use. It is supposed to model and simulate flight for the purposes of flight planning. Can’t plan a flight if it cannot be done. Few if anyone actually plan a flight to travel beyond 90 degree South Latitude. So I doubt anyone has actually tried it. In fact, travel beyond 60 degrees South Latitude requires permission by the countries of the Antarctic treaty.
That alone should be of interest to anyone that researches the actual shape of the earth. Why all the secrets for Antarctica? What is really there?
Interestingly enough right after Admiral Byrd led a massive expedition to Antarctica named Operation High Jump was conducted, NASA was formed. And Operation Fish Bowl commenced which included firing missiles high into the atmosphere.
What did Admiral Byrd find? Was it the Firmament beyond the 200 foot Ice wall that lines the shores of Antarctica? Lots of pictures of that Ice Wall all over the internet. To all the folks that laugh and talk about the oceans spilling off the flat earth or a person falling off the edge, take a look at those Antarctic ice walls and you will see how they contain the earth’s oceans quite well. Hence Operation High Jump? Were the missiles fired to measure the shape and extent of the Firmament during Operation Fishbowl?
I didn’t name these operations. Look them up and see for yourself.
Could it be that once they realized that we indeed live upon a flat motionless earth surrounded by a Firmament that they had to get real busy and invent NASA and start the space race and Moon landings to keep the masses convinced that the globe and space are reality?
Seems likely.
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And another thing. When I was a kid I used to love playing on the Merry Go round. I would spin that thing as fast as I could then try to hang on for dear life as the forces tried to rip me off. My buddy Clark would just sit in the middle and laugh at me as he calmly completed his centered revolutions in the middle of the Merry Go Round.
So why is it that the earth spins at a rate of over 1000 MPH and it feels the same whether I am standing sideways in Ecuador at 1000 MPH or hanging out with Prince Andrew at the South Pole basically centered at the axis of the Globe?
Oh and not only that but this mysterious force called gravity supposedly sucks me down towards the center of the globe. I guess that gravity can vary depending where I am?
How can a bird fly against that gravity yet the same gravity can retain massive oceans on a spinning globe?
So much easier to let all of it go and just say there is an up and a down and there is a flat, non-rotating earth and instead of gravity there is density and buoyancy.
See? Fixed it.
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Howdy
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OK, thanks.
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Wow, some of the comments here .. were they handing out free LSD somewhere? .. sheesh.
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Crimson and Clover
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I know right?? Those comments about the Earth being a globe and space and all……..LSD city! Sheeesh!
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MattH
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Hi Squid.
It is probably one troll using a number of names and addresses paid to undermine PSI’s credibility.
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Crimson and Clover
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I am curious MattH and Squidly have you actually read any of the comments and really thought about them? I mean really thought them through and contemplated some of the information that they claim and given them even half a chance? Or is different information an automatic shut down of your thought process? For me as long as PSI runs stories like this one about “Astronomers discover massive radio Galaxy” which describes a Galaxy over about 16 million light years and such their credibility is highly suspect. Just a copy and paste from space.com. Nice.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi MattH,
Please read, or reread, The Walrus February 21, 2022 at 3:51 am | # . What is written by Walrus is not undermining PSI’s credibility. It seems to be observed fact. And because I consider it is observed fact it seems to me to be the reason that John O’Sullivan, and other founders of PSI, founded PSI in the first place. I have yet to go back to see what the coffee is about and I need to go back to see if you have totally ignored my articles which absolutely refute the accepted idea of the Greenhouse Effect of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Darwin’s idea of the creation of living matter, including we humans.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Hi Jerry.
The egg came before the chicken. The egg came before the Bible.
A pregnant mammal could never fly. Too much weight to fly. By disposing of the excess weight by laying an egg maintains the chickens ability to fly. Eggs came before mammals.
Enjoy your day. Matt
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Jerry Krause
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Hi PSI Reader,
Because this article is receiving some many comments I will provide a link to an old essay (https://principia-scientific.com/history-erratic-boulders-and-science/) in which one can read “This history absolutely confirms that which Galileo, who is generally credited with founding this intellectual activity we call science, is said to have stated (as translated by someone): All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Sometimes, some people like to state that there is (can be) no truth. The localized glaciation of my father’s farm is unquestionable truth. Hence, the Ice Age is unquestionable truth.”
While I know that all the accepted ideas of SIENCE are uncertain to some degree, I had forgotten there is observed evidence which is unquestionable truth. Do go to the link and read the rest of the story.
Have a good day, Jerry
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