Ernest Shackleton’s Endurance located in Weddell Sea
Endurance, the lost ship of Anglo-Irish explorer Sir Ernest Shackleton, has finally been identified on the floor of Antarctica’s Weddell Sea.
The vessel was crushed by sea-ice and sank on 21 November 1915, forcing Shackleton and his men to make a heroic escape on foot and in small boats.
Image: University of Cambridge
Marine archaeologist Mensun Bound described the condition of Endurance to the BBC.
“Without any exaggeration this is the finest wooden shipwreck I have ever seen – by far.
It is upright, well proud of the seabed, intact, and in a brilliant state of preservation.
You can even see the ship’s name – E N D U R A N C E – arced across its stern directly below the taffrail (a hand rail near the stern). And beneath, as bold as brass, is Polaris, the five-pointed star, after which the ship was originally named.
Image: National Georaphic
I tell you, you would have to be made of stone not to feel a bit squishy at the sight of that star and the name above.
And just under the tuck of the stern, laying in the silt is the source of all their troubles, the rudder itself. You will remember that it was when the rudder was torn to one side by the ice that the water came pouring in and it was game-over. It just sends shivers up your spine.
Image: Hulton Archive
When you rise up over the stern, there is another surprise. There, in the well deck, is the ship’s wheel with all its spokes showing, absolutely intact. And before it is the companionway (with the two leaves of its door wide open) leading down to the cabin deck. The famous Frank Hurley (expedition photographer) picture of Thomas Ord Lees (motor expert) about to go down into the ship was taken right there.
And beside the companion way, you can see a porthole that is Shackleton’s cabin. At that moment, you really do feel the breath of the great man upon the back of your neck.
The funnel is still there, but not upright, lying semi-thwartships (almost at a right-angle to the keel), still with its steam whistle attached. Beside it is the engine room skylight. We could look down through it. I was hoping to see the cylinder heads of its triple-steam expansion engines, but couldn’t quite make them out.
Near midships there is a boot, with another one, maybe its pair, in the debris field beside the wreck; also several plates and a cup.
When the mast fell, it crushed the ward room with the bridge deck above, but you can see the outline of the wardroom and beside it the galley and pantry. One wall of the galley is still standing with its two forward portholes intact.
Image: National Geographic
On the weather deck, you can see the forward hold and skylight with the fo’c’sle deck (the upper-deck forward of the foremast) just beyond.
The fo’c’sle deck is damaged, for although the vessel went down keel first, she was down slightly at the bow so it was that part of the hull that first struck the seabed and so took the shock of impact.
The capstan is still visible on the fo’c’sle deck and beside it is one of the anchors. The other anchor broke free; it snakes out over the seabed.
Image: National Geographic
The bow looks amazing. You can see its forward raking stem and the metal-shod cutwater that cleaved the ice.
Image: National Geographic
The masts, spars, booms and gaffs are all down, just as in the final pictures of her taken by Frank Hurley. You can see the breaks in the masts just as in the photos. There is a tangle of ropes, blocks and deadeyes.
You can even see the holes that Shackleton’s men cut in the decks to get through to the ‘tween decks to salvage supplies, etc, using boat hooks. In particular, there was the hole they cut through the deck in order to get into “The Billabong”, the cabin in “The Ritz” that had been used by Hurley, Leonard Hussey (meteorologist), James McIlroy (surgeon) and Alexander Macklin (surgeon), but which was used to store food supplies at the time the ship went down.
I had been hoping to find Orde Lees’ bicycle, but that wasn’t visible, nor were there any of the honey jars that Robert Clark (biologist) used to preserve his samples that I also hoped I might find.
The depth is 3,008m (9,868ft).
Endurance was found just over four nautical miles (7.5km) and roughly southward of Frank Worsley’s famous sinking position (68°39’30” South; 52°26’30” West).
We found the wreck a hundred years to the day after Shackleton’s funeral (5 March 1922). I don’t usually go with this sort of stuff at all, but this one I found a bit spooky.”
The project to find the lost ship was mounted by the Falklands Maritime Heritage Trust (FMHT), using a South African icebreaker, Agulhas II, and equipped with remotely operated submersibles.
The mission’s leader, the veteran polar geographer Dr John Shears, described the moment cameras landed on the ship’s name as “jaw-dropping”.
“The discovery of the wreck is an incredible achievement,” he added.
“We have successfully completed the world’s most difficult shipwreck search, battling constantly shifting sea-ice, blizzards, and temperatures dropping down to -18C. We have achieved what many people said was impossible.”
For over two weeks, the subs had combed a predefined search area, investigating various interesting targets, before finally uncovering the wreck site on Saturday – the 100th anniversary of Shackleton’s funeral. The days since the discovery have been spent making a detailed photographic record of the timbers and surrounding debris field.
The wreck itself is a designated monument under the international Antarctic Treaty and must not be disturbed in any way. No physical artefacts have therefore been brought to the surface.
What life had attached to the ship?
Interestingly, the wreck has been colonised by an abundance of life – but not of the type that would consume it.
“It would appear that there is little wood deterioration, inferring that the wood-munching animals found in other areas of our ocean are, perhaps unsurprisingly, not in the forest-free Antarctic region,” commented deep-sea polar biologist Dr Michelle Taylor from Essex University.
“The Endurance, looking like a ghost ship, is sprinkled with an impressive diversity of deep-sea marine life – stalked sea squirts, anemones, sponges of various forms, brittlestars, and crinoids (related to urchins and sea stars), all filter feeding nutrition from the cool deep waters of the Weddell Sea.”
Why was this ship so prized?
Two reasons. The first is the story of Shackleton’s Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition. It set out to make the first land crossing of Antarctica, but had to abandon the quest when the expedition ship, the Endurance, was trapped and then holed by sea-ice. From then on it was all about survival. Shackleton somehow managed to get his men to safety, an escape that saw the Anglo-Irish explorer himself take a small lifeboat across ferocious seas to get help.
The other reason was the challenge itself of finding the ship. The Weddell Sea is pretty much permanently covered in thick sea-ice, the same sea-ice that ruptured the hull of Endurance. Getting near the presumed sinking location is hard enough, never mind being able to conduct a search.
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Richarc
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I wonder if the photographs left behind could still be salvaged .
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Joseph Olson
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BBC doesn’t give this story justice. The Endurance sank Nov 21, 1915 and Shackleton and his crew towed three 20 foot lifeboats across the ice, rowed to Elephant Island. From there, Shackleton and five crewmen rowed 800 miles to South Georgia Island, hiked across the mountains to a whaling station. On Aug 30, 1916 all of the 28 crew were finally rescued. READ “South” for the story in Shackleton’s own words.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
Even though I have no idea if you will read this article but I address my comment to you because you seem to consider that discussion (conversation) is important.
We are all different from each other. And adventurers as Shackleton, who risked his and other mea’s live to explore our planet, should not be forgotten (ignored). It might not make logical sense to some to literally risk one’s life by doing what he and his crew did, but the fact is that they did and somehow survived to ‘fight’ another day.
Galileo made observation with his telescope with his telescope which proved, without question, that the Earth did not standstill. He knew the likely consequence of making these observations public with his explanation that the Earth could not standstill. And most know the historical fact that he had to lie in order to write a Forbidden book.
Aren’t we lucky there are adventurers who risk their lIves???
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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Hi Jerry,
I haven’t research it at all, but the question in my mind is, did he embark on the trip for scientific discovery, or was it a foolhardy jaunt without proper assessment of the risks, or maybe both?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
“Cast your bread upon the waters, for after many days you will find it again. Give portions to seven, yes to eight, for you do not know what disaster may come upon the land. If clouds are full o water, they pour rain upon the earth. Whether a tree falls to the south or to the north, in the place where if falls, there will it lie. Whoever watches the wind will not plant; whoever looks at the clouds will not reap. As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things. Sow your seed in the morning, and at evening let not your hands be idle, for you do not know which will succeed, whether this or that, of whether both will do equally well.” (Ecclesiastes 11: 1-6.NIV)
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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Aren’t you just saying the same thing as I, Jerry?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
You asked: “Aren’t you just saying the same thing as I, Jerry?” I just wrote the woods of Solomon (the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem) wrote as a contrast to the words you had just written. So to answer your question: No, I do not accepts that you are saying the same thing as I have. You seem to miss my point and Solomon’s point.
I had come back to PSI after composing the following comment;
3/9 6am 43F, 7am 42F, 8am 43F, 9am 44F
3/10 6am 26F, 7am 25F, 8am 29F, 9am 37F
3/11 6am 26F, 7am 27F, 8am 35F, 9am 39F
Can you explain the differences between the air temperatures of 3/9 relative to those of 3/10 and 3/11? This is my attempt to keep this discussion going.
Can any of you possible readers of this data explain the differences seen?
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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I’m not interested in temperatures, Jerry. I responded here because you requested it.
From: https://www.fh.org/blog/meaning-whoever-watches-wind-plant/
“Of course, Solomon never disregards wisdom. His writings are full of admonitions to plan wisely, such as Proverbs 21:5: “Good planning and hard work lead to prosperity, but hasty shortcuts lead to poverty.”
Jesus also advises wisdom and planning, such as in His analogy of building a tower. “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?” (Luke 14:28)
It’s important to consider all of the factors when we make decisions. We must plan ahead, counting the cost of completing that which we start.”
Sounds similar to me.
“The Ecclesiastes passage simply offers the perspective that we can’t allow over-planning to get in the way of starting something good.”
An expedition cannot be over-planned. The resulting disaster in this case shows that to be true. When It comes to the almighty, one should trust by what the day brings, as being how It is meant to be. There is no correlation to the expedition, which itself is also directed.
If no similarity, what is the point of your quote?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
Ponder, ““Good planning and hard work lead to prosperity, but hasty shortcuts lead to poverty.”” what you just wrote: “hard work” and “hasty shortcuts”. Not sure you are familiar with “hard work” but I read you are familiar with “hasty shortcuts” as you wrote: “I’m not interested in temperatures, Jerry. I responded here because you requested it.” I also requested that you attempt to first recognize the differences which can be seen in this data and then to to possibly explain the probable cause of these difference. This website is about SCIENCE and temperatures is an critically important factor in the WORLD in which we live.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
3/9 6am 43F, 7am 42F, 8am 43F, 9am 44F, 10am 46F, 11am 46F
3/10 6am 26F, 7am 25F, 8am 29F, 9am 37F, 10am 41F, 11am 43F
3/11 6am 26F, 7am 27F, 8am 35F, 9am 39F, 10am 45F, 11am 50F
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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Jerry,
Brown Black Red, Violet Yellow Orange….
T0220, T03, T092…
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Howdy
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Ponder, ““Good planning and hard work lead to prosperity, but hasty shortcuts lead to poverty.””
Simple answer: Nice words, but not applicable to All.
As applied to everyday life, It’s ‘truth is in the eye of the beholder’. Anybody who ever had a venture collapse knows all the planning and work in the world does not guarantee success. We are bound, and God will provide, or not, as required, as stated by the good book.
The whole quote you showed is firmly related to matters of God. It is not advice for all worldly undertakings, no matter what they may be. Too many people take the Bible’s words at face value.
“but I read you are familiar with “hasty shortcuts” as you wrote: “I’m not interested in temperatures, Jerry.”
Since when, is disinterest taking a shortcut? How will It change my life? Write about heatsink temperatures and cooling instead, and you’ll get a response. Of course, If you’re not interested in electronics, and don’t respond to that, no problem. I won’t see It as you taking a shortcut just because it’s not your thing. Then again, a shortcut to where?
You didn’t answer my question: If no similarity, what is the point of your quote?
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
I read: “We found the wreck a hundred years to the day after Shackleton’s funeral (5 March 1922). I don’t usually go with this sort of stuff at all, but this one I found a bit spooky.” Relative to my own experiences I call this a God sighting and to me it is not spooky at, just confirmation I was on the Right Road.
“Why Was This Ship So Prized? … The other reason was the challenge itself of finding the ship. The Weddell Sea is pretty much permanently covered in thick sea-ice, the same sea-ice that ruptured the hull of Endurance. Getting near the presumed sinking location is hard enough, never mind being able to conduct a search. .. The mission’s leader, the veteran polar geographer Dr John Shears, described the moment cameras landed on the ship’s name as “jaw-dropping” …
“The discovery of the wreck is an incredible achievement,” he added. “We have successfully completed the world’s most difficult shipwreck search, battling constantly shifting sea-ice, blizzards, and temperatures dropping down to -18C. We have achieved what many people said was impossible.” over two weeks, the subs had combed a predefined search area, investigating various interesting targets, before finally uncovering the wreck site on Saturday – the 100th anniversary of Shackleton’s funeral.” (not sure who state whet and when)
Have a good day, Jerry
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
3/9 6am 43F, 7am 42F, 8am 43F, 9am 44F, 10am 46F, 11am 46F, 12pm 47F, 1pm 47F, 2pm 47F
3/10 6am 26F, 7am 25F, 8am 29F, 9am 37F, 10am 41F, 11am 43F, 12pm 46F, 1pm 48F, 2pm 50F
3/11 6am 26F, 7am 27F, 8am 35F, 9am 39F, 10am 45F, 11am 50F, 12pm 53F, 1pm 57F, 2pm 61F
This data from (https://principia-scientific.com/the-corvallis-or-uscrn-site-a-natural-laboratory-part-two)
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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It is of no significance to me Jerry, just as the following has no use for you:
Brown Black Red, Violet Yellow Orange….
T0220, T03, T092…
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
You wrote: “Write about heatsink temperatures and cooling instead, and you’ll get a response.” I have no idea what heatsink temperatures are because you have not defined (described) them for other PSI readers and me. While at the beginning I did not directly refer to air temperature, I still assume some PSI reader recognize these clear temperatures to be air temperatures. Especially so when the temperatures have a relationship to times of days. I must admit I have no knowledge of what your listings are about. But there are very few topics about which I would state I am not interested in learning about. So maybe you could explain.
Have, a good day. Jerry
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Howdy
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I have no idea what heatsink temperatures are because you have not defined (described) them for other PSI readers and me.
I still assume some PSI reader recognize these clear temperatures to be air temperatures. Especially so when the temperatures have a relationship to times of days.
If you don’t do electronics, heatsink temperatures are of no real value. Even if you do, you may never venture into that area. The temps are important to component longevity, thus they have importance, like the readings you gave, but only to one who wants to know about the subject the readings pertain to.
The word comes from Heat and sink = a way to drain away heat.
Yes I know the figures you gave are day temperatures, but they don’t interest me. I can’t construct a usefull device for myself using the subject you are giving data for. It has no value to me, no excitement. I can’t see any other way of putting it.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
I just hit the wrong key and lost that which I had written which I doubt I can recreate because of my memory problems.
We are now discussing. Previously you had mentioned “cooling” in the context of heatsinks. Heating and cooling is what the air temperature listings are all about. For on the morning of 3/11 I noticed that the air temperature was increasing faster than I expected. So I looked back at the historical data to see what had happened the previous mornings. And I found which I consider a gold mine of data to study concerning the diurnal temperature oscillations that we generally expect during each 24hr period.
Except during the morning of 3/9 there was not much of a heating influence the solar radiation. I believe you will agree the difference we see between the morning temperature of 3/9 and those of 3/10 and 3/11 is due to cloud cover during 3/9 and generally cloudless skies the mornings of 3/10 and 3/11. But did you expect that this cloud cover during the morning of 3/9 could cause the higher temperatures of the 3/9 morning? So, how did the clouds prevent a significant lack of cooling? Which might prevent the most effective cooling of the electronic components of your apparatus, If you are not aware that the emission of radiation is the most effective cooling phenomena.
I stop here because critically important to a good discussion is a brief give and take of ideas so I do not forget that which each of us has just stated.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Jerry and take a break from all that heatsink conundrum and temperature speculation. Just put on your MAGA hat and get ready for the next great fake Republican Chabad Lubavith Trump convention. And don’t forget to vote in the next fake election.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Mark,
I have heard about a poll of democrats that about 50% of those polled would pack their bags and ran (to where I don’t know) if Russia would invade our country as Russia did in Ukraine instead of staying and fighting the Russian invaders. I have no idea of where you live, or what your Culture is. But given what you just wrote, I do not have to have much of an imagination to assume that if Russia invaded your country you would pack your bags and run. Still, to where I have no idea.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Mark Tapley
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Hello Jerry: The only thing that has invaded the country is the Zionist syndicate which they did way back in 1910 when they succeeded in propping up the syphilitic invalid (and soon to be practically catatonic) Woodrow Wilson in office, with his controllers, Bernard Baruch, Eugene Meyer and live in handler (Rothschild employee) Col. House. It is the same thing today with all the modern puppet actors.
The Ukrainian fake is just another attempt to distract the goyim from the fake virus. Both the Pres. (former actor and comedian) and P.M. of Ukraine are Zionist Jews as are over 80% of the fake Parliament. Russia is controlled by the same bunch. So is this country. Nothing will change unless people figure out the scam, throw the Zionists out of power and elect limited government constitutionalists.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tUcNddMzEzZL/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ALIAuFdaqf4/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IAyREIWpk6tw/
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Howdy
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“So, how did the clouds prevent a significant lack of cooling?”
They are Natures quilt for the Earth. If I come out on a winters night and It is cloudless, it gets really cold, but should cloud cover develop, it gets warmer, even causing frost to retreat. Doesn’t everybody know that?
“If you are not aware that the emission of radiation is the most effective cooling phenomena.”
Forced air provides the maximum cooling, and allows smaller radiators. Temperature sensor and fan are usually in a closed loop where increase in temp is met with an increase in fan rotation speed. It is self regulating under any (normal) conditions if designed correctly, though noise increases due to the fan.
A heatsink designed to be used in free air still works well enough, It too just has to be dimensioned correctly to cover worst-case conditions, but because It depends on radiation and convection only, that means large and bulky.
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Mark Tapley
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All of these atmospheric factors need expert analysis: Should probably consult with environmental scientists Leonardo Dicaprio and Greta for conformation.
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy,
“So, how did the clouds prevent a significant lack of cooling?” Common cloud droplets commonly have a diameter greater than the wavelengths of the IR radiation being emitted by the Earth’s surface because of the surfaces temperatures, hence according to Richard Feynman’s radiation SCATTERING theories (Chapter 32, The Feynman Lectures on Physics.). So these cloud droplets scatter the out-going IR radiation much more effectively than the same cloud droplets scatter the incoming Solar UV and Visible Radiation. But we should not forget that a significant energy portion of the Solar radiation is IR radiation. But the wavelengths of most of this Solar IR are less than the wavelengths of the emitted IR from the Earth’s surfaces.
Relative to heatsinks and cooling, have you considered putting your electronic in a cold room so that the walls of their room are not emitting IR radiation toward the electronics with the intensity of a 20C (293K) surface. This morning I measured (IR thermometer) the temperature of the almost cloudless sky and it was about negative 20F while the air temperature was 33F and the relative humidity was 75%. However, the north facing roof of the home next door was white with frost asl the air temperature increased to beyond 40F. There can be not question question that the frost surface was being cooled by radiation and sublimation.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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Jerry, All your explaining just means the clouds are a blanket regardless. Sometimes there is no need for tiny details as long as one understands the basic idea.
There are no cold rooms here and none are needed. I use fans where appropriate, even If that means modification of equipment housings. I’m currently modifying computers to increase the ‘breathing’ since the manufacturer, Acer, decided air flow was not a priority. You can see from hard drive temp readings that internal temps were elevated.
Manufacturers don’t care about component longevity as long as the support period is fault free. I want my stuff to last, and heat is the enemy in most situations.
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Herb Rose
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Hi howdy,
Cloudy nights are warmer because the atmosphere absorbs uv light (90+ %) and converts it to kinetic energy. When the gas molecules collide (law of conservation of momentum) with water droplets they transfer energy to the water where it is stored. At night, when the gases are no longer gaining energy from the sun, they cool and the water then begins to release its stored energy in all directions (including towards the surface of the Earth). On a clear night there is no reservoir of energy to continue heating the Earth so it cools.
Herb
Howdy
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@Herb,
Thank you for the input, but as I stated earlier, the details don’t matter to me.
From: https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo3/l2_p10.html
“Clouds act like blankets” gets repeated so frequently because it’s a simple analogy, but it’s also very wrong. ”
Yes, a simple analogy that does for me and many others. It isn’t wrong unless you want to go into over-drive on the details.
The site goes into detail about convection etc, which I’m not interested in.
“If I come out on a winters night and It is cloudless, it gets really cold, but should cloud cover develop, it gets warmer, even causing frost to retreat.”
A blanket makes things warmer. Cloud cover makes things warmer. That is undeniable despite the technical details. A simple observation of the sky tells me if I should plant now, or wait in case of frost.
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Hi Jerry,
The fact that you believe that -30 water is able to radiate heat and keep the surface of the Earth warmer shows you are an idiot.
The fact that you believe that -30 water that is not pure (contains nucleating particles) and is constantly agitated can be super cooled shows you are an idiot.
The fact that you believe that radiation in the troposphere (where constant collisions occur) plays a significant role in energy transfer shows you are an idiot.
The fact that you believe that because the nitrogen, oxygen, and argon do not absorb visible or infrared light they do not absorb energy radiated by the sun (violates the law of thermodynamics that says all matter absorbs radiated energy) and so are heated by the surface of the Earth shows you are an idiot.
You will always continue to believe the same nonsense you currently believe, despite the evidence and the laws of physics means you will always remain an idiot.
Herb
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Jerry Krause
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Hi Howdy
You wrote: “I’m currently modifying computers to increase the ‘breathing’ since the manufacturer, Acer, decided air flow was not a priority.” And “There are no cold rooms here and none are needed.”
Relative to the latter statement, here I just saw at Walmart I could buy a small chest type freezer for less than $200 (USA). And if I were talented as you seem to be, I believe one could mount, on a simple rack, six Acer computers with their hot electronic components facing the six cold surfaces of this chest freezer. That is after removing any Acer surfaces which would limit the direct exposure of the ‘hottest’ electronic components to the freezer’s could surfaces.
For I forget to mention how it is that radiation is such an effective Energy Transfer phenomenon (mechanism). The intensity of the energy emission depends upon the 4th power of the surface’s Kelvin temperature. Any shielding between the emitting surface and the cold freezer surface is going to reduce the temperature of the emitting surface and therefore significantly reduce the intensity of energy being transferred.
Of course, you can believe, as Herb does, that I am an idiot since I consider that you have skills which I know I do not have. And that I believe we (you and I) are having a good discussion.
Have a good day, Jerry
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Howdy
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A freezer would be expense and unneeded bulk.
This is the machine in question, a small form factor office device:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=acer+veriton+x4630g&iax=images&ia=images
Note that the computer has a power supply fan drawing air, and is the sole air mover for the complete device, but as the fan is tiny, and regulated to run for minimum noise, It does basically nothing to help. The fan I fitted is purely to move more air into the case to prevent hot air pockets and provide at least some flow, It is not an adjunct to the allready present internal fan fitted to the CPU below It. The CPU fan alone simple cycles heat around itself, hopefully reaching some equilibrium point along the way.
I allready experimented with variable speed of an 80mm fan to find a good cooling point without excess noise. Increasing the fan speed beyond that point right up to maximum brought negligible cooling improvement. Previously, I had used a much larger fan of 120mm which one might figure would be even better, but the main temperature source, the processor, increased in temp. My conclusion there, was airflow disturbance against the existing fans airflow, which my experiments with the smaller fan and reduced flow seem to agree with.
I keep no records, except in my head, because each situation is different. Each type of fan has it’s own flow, pressure, and dispersal pattern. Some run at low voltage/speed some refuse to start. It is hands-on, which I prefer.
You see, I don’t need to know about thermodynamics and all the rest of It, I have a grounding based on experience that works for me. It’s all I need.
I’m not talented Jerry, tinkerer maybe.
No, I don’t think you’re an idiot, Jerry.
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T. C. Clark
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It is a designated monument so no artifacts were taken? Unless there is some very valuable stuff on board, no one is going to touch it. Unless a ship wreck is subject to looters or pirates…there is not much reason not to take artifacts because the wreck is not going to improve in condition.
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